Parietex Mesh

Discussion in 'Covidien' started by Anonymous, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:45 AM.

  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Covidien reps...below is a list of FACTS ascertained through a variety of sources. I am interested to hear your responses to these facts, specifically with regards to how they apply to your long term growth strategy.

    Fact1: Polyester has been proven through multiple studies to be more infection prone than polypropylene (Klausterhaufen, Amid, Leber).

    Fact2: Covidien has applied for 510k for a polypropylene version of parietex (essentially validating the previous fact)..For those of you who fall into the "fact 3" category, this is essentially asking the FDA's permission to sell a product.

    Fact3: Covidien is hiring (in certain markets) reps directly out of college with no real world experience, let alone sales acumen.

    Fact4: Surgeons in the hernia mesh market are accustomed to dealing with infections and adhesions as mesh issues, not death (as referenced in fact 5)

    Fact5: Last week a surgeon (I won't mention where because it could get back to me) had a patient die due to fistula formation to a PCO3020. It is listed on the FDA Maude database as of today.
     
  2. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Did the surgeon just report this incident? I just checked the database and did not see a mention of death. Thanks!
     
  3. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    It was reported yesterday, I helped him do it in his office. I'm not sure how long it takes to post.
     
  4. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    That's a load of crap! Death mesh...grow up! Parietex is the best that’s out there!

    We all know that fistulas can happen with any mesh BUT are less likely to happen with a ptx mesh than with a polypro or gtx. There will always be occasional complications in medicine and many factors that can be correlated with these. To fault a mesh, any mesh is quite a stretch…maybe you should go back to school …let us all know when you develop something that will always be 100% perfect because it doesn’t exist…
     
  5. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Fact 1 Incorrect. If you are going to come on this board and have a discussion, the first thing you want to do is have your facts straight regarding the product you're attacking. You talk about higher infection rates with polyester, (Ethicon/Mersilene) then infer Parietex falls into that category. Do you know of a single human study done with Parietex that shows this mythical, higher rate of infection? Didn't think so.

    Did you think we would take you seriously with wrong information?

    The rest of your facts are too reckless and silly to bother with, but I will address Parietene. I had no knowledge we were trying to gain approval, but if/when we do, the rest of the market is ours. There won't be much to say against the competitor who has the best of both worlds. It's called keeping your pipeline full and Covidien is doing just that, and not just with Parietene.

    Good luck to you!
     
  6. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Parietex has no data to show that their weave is any different than that of Mersilene....both products are multi-filament. Multi-filament products do not cause infection but, if the product does get infected, it will harbor the infection just like ePTFE. Do not claim that Parietex has data claiming it has really low infection rates because ePTFE products can show the same data and, either way, the product will need to be removed. Hopefully, you also recognize that the majority of these studies are garbage because they are not indicative of what happens in the real world to a real-life community surgeon.

    Additionally, Parietex probably has some of the worst handling properties in the lap ventral market. The mesh flops around like a piece of tissue paper and, if you use too much pressure with a grasper or tacker, then you can poke a hole right through that collagen barrier.

    Finally, if the porcine collagen barrier is so great, why dont yall have a product to compete with Sepraflim and Interceed?

    Now, I am not saying that Proceed or Dualmesh or Composix products are the true answer to hernia repair but neither is Parietex. It is just a fad like Proceed was a few years ago and look at the long-term problems surgeons are not having with Proceed.
     
  7. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Parietene is already available in Europe. The product was originally created to appease the German medical community. Due to overwhelming polyester related infections and German clinical data, a polypropylene product was created to capture market in the German market.
     
  8. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Fact- thanks for giving us your favorite five talking points- bullshit or otherwise. I will continue kicking Bards ass now.

    PS- My docs love Parietex mesh. They shower in that shit.
     
  9. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest


    All of this is your jaded opinion. I see nothing in your babling that is indeed, "Fact", as you stated before.

    What major acct did you lose recently to cause you to come cry on a chat board? Get over it, even though I'm a Covidien rep, there is still the reality that we're talking about mesh here. It's not the cure for AIDS.

    Btw, we DO have data showing low rates of infection. Give me your address and I'll send them to you. And Parietex is the answer for synthetic hernia repair, go ask one of our many supporters.
     
  10. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    As for the worst handling properties, its all dependent on surgeon preference.
    Would you rather have a raincoat or a piece of plastic in your abdomen than a softer piece of mesh, that will not turn into a big fibrotic potato chip?
     
  11. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    O.P. nice questions...... kind of sums up the issues faced by Tyco suture reps right now.

    One of my Dr.'s just removed a piece of parietex from a patients bowel. He is concerned she is not going to make it. It will only take a few more of these before dr's begin to realize that polyester and pig collagen is not the answer.
     
  12. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

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  13. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Lol. You are so confident. well, I guess we should all just quit now before they come to that conclusion. Thanks for the heads up!
     
  14. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

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  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Fact3: Covidien is hiring (in certain markets) reps directly out of college with no real world experience, let alone sales acumen.


    We are hiring MBA's from the Ivy League and highly competitive universities. In accordance with our standard hiring practices, these candidates must have a minimum GPA of 3.6 to be considered. If hired, they will function as administrative assistants for various depts in the corp office and stay in those same positions for a minimum of 2 years. We recruit and develop the best talent. If that bothers you, submit a resume.
     



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