PharmD's are not doctors!

PNH, ahole…is treated by a hem/onc. Wow glad you’re not an oncology pharmacist.

 

Score one for the oncology rep…they're right.

 

Really? you playing pretend too?

 

As we are "PHARM D" we know the drug not the physicion

A physician do not know what is the definition of a drug or how the drug can interact the human body or either doesn't know which type of drug is suitable for the right patient rather than he knows only how to fill a blank prescription order, but we PHARM D are the experts who know the origin of the drug, its indication ,contraindication, side effect , toxicity and we can recommend the right drug to the right patient.
Again as the physicians mostly think only about which type of drug is used to treat the patient but we as "PHARM D" we think about not only the treatment but also we think about which type of drug has more effective and less toxicity.
How many physicians had poisoned a victim that we as "PHARM D" rescued them by using our experiences and skills that we have about the drug

Sorry physicians you have much more experience about "Surgery" only but neither a "Drug" not a "Treatment" so we can say only the time for the physician by making treatment is FINISHED so go back to your surgery this is time the for the RISE OF PHARM D so we as "PHARM D" are the patient's family to take care them their drug but not you, because you know nothing about the drug and if you don't know nothing about the drug you cant prescript any drug as well as filling prescription.

 

Re: As we are "PHARM D" we know the drug not the physicion

Wow. I can only pray that this is not a serious post.

 

Re: As we are "PHARM D" we know the drug not the physicion

Wow ESL student? Sounds like the moron at my local Walgreen's typed that! Last I checked MD's aren't ringing up condoms, candy bars and shampoo as part of their job...

 

I am a recent grad (2010) PharmD working for a biotech company as a medical writer/researcher. I completely agree that pharmacists should not call themselves doctors, and I rarely admit to having a pharmacist degree in public. I only share my job title in the industry. On the other hand, it is good for my job prospects that PharmDs run the industry, because I never have and hopefully never will work in retail. After finishing a biochemistry undergrad degree, I will have to say that many people I have encountered in the pharmacy world are some of the least talented bung holes that try to talk up every little thing they do, without ever having a real impact on healthcare. I resent and regret my decision everyday for buying a PharmD, when I could have jumped into any engineering program with my biochem degree. Oh yea, and all of the sales reps on here, you are the most worthless people in this discussion. I know first hand how incompetent most of you are. To all students reading this, avoid all PharmD programs like the plague. All they want is your money, and the job prospects are progressively getting worse. Trust me, any sane person will hate their job after a few years almost regardless of what they do. The job title of the pharmacist will eventually become obsolete with technology and improvements to the healthcare system. It will never give you a fulfilling feeling in this profession. Anything you do will just be a repetitive, monotonous job. I am already sick of it after about 2 years. I'm applying for jobs outside the field and am considering even more school... while paying off my PharmD student loans.

 

In response to all the initial posts, a Pharm.D. is a doctor, hence Pharm. "D" which stands for Pharmacy Doctor.
I am a Pharm.D. myself and for those who are ignorant to the English language and to degrees earned in college, a doctor refers to anyone who achieved a terminal degree in a graduate level program. Ph.D. is a doctor of philosophy and thus has nothing to do with clinical ability or knowledge. A Pharm.D., JD, MD, DO, DDS, and DNS are all doctor levels in their own fields. The term "doctor" has been used in place of the proper term which is "physician" by non-educated people especially those not in the health profession. As with all non-PhD doctorate degrees, they are achieved 2-4 years after having a BS degree. A Ph.D. is available for MDs, Pharm.Ds, JDs, and DDS, and DNS but is research based and thus does not add to their clinical knowledge. The ignorant person who posted the top post said that a pharmacology Pharm.D. is much higher than a PharmD which is totally incorrect. Pharm.Ds are clinicians where pharmacology PhDs are researchers...and both have very different schooling. Clinical Pharm.D.s complete 1-3 years a residency or a fellowship after getting their PharmD while Ph.Ds can not, they get a post-doctorate in some area of research. And by the way, in many states, PharmDs can prescribe, order labs, imaging test and are reimbursed by insurance and medicaid. I would suggest before anyone make any ignorant comments, either go to pharmacy school to know our level of education or at least ask a pharmacist first. I am a Pharm.D. who had 8 years of college and 2 years of residency in addition to having my own clinics for the past several years and being dual board certified in two specialities.

A Professor of Pharmacy...

 

You are obviously an idiot who did not know anything about pharmacy before going into it and as you said " you bought you degree" so I assume you went to some trash pharmacy school.... I guess you were not good smart enough to complete a residency or go into a rewarding part of pharmacy... You are a disgrace to the profession

 

Why the hell are you wasting your time arguing about this? Wouldn't it make a little more sense for health care PROFESSIONALS to be, oh, I don't know, working or studying?

If you want to argue that the PharmD isn't a legitimate degree, haul your ass through Pharmacy school. Better yet--take the NAPLEX without it. Tell me how well you do.

 

Guys i do not need to clear a few things in case u dont know and most of the ppl here i guess they either lack the basic knowledge about degrees or they hate each other so much that it have made them blind or ignorant
first of all Etymology of word ''Doctor"
“an expert, authority on a subject” (“teacher”)(“to teach, instruct”)(“teacher, master”)
According to these definitions
a person can call himself a doctor if his degree tells him he is a doctorate in something lets say Pharmacy
Being Doctor does not specifically mean that u r going to start prescribing or u r a surgeon or a physician.
A person who have a degree of Phd or D.sc in what ever the subject is called a doctor.
and I am sure every guy here who is just saying shit about Doctor of Pharmacy knows nothing about even the basics.
Guys Pharmacy is the world's biggest business and a very diverse field,
A pharmacist is taught to
Extract(from natural means) or Synthesize Active ingredient of a drug
manufacture a drug in various delivery forms for the body
he is even taught where n when that drug will be released in which part of the body and how long it is going to stay in ur system its way of elimination.
the guys having a BS degree of pharmacy know nothing about clinical aspects he have only the knowledge regarding to industry.
PharmDs on the other hand know everything about the drug and every little detail about all the fields related to drug from its manufacture to its elimination out of ur bloody system.
so, A PharmD is an Expert or a Master of the knowledge of pharmacy, the degree fulfills all the aspects of the pharmacy that is the reason its called Doctorate in pharmacy
and the person holding the degree is called the doctor of pharmacy as no one knows a drug better than him.
Phd is doctor of philosophy and u need to specialize in some particular topic of any field, u need a bundle of knowledge about that topic to get a Phd and even higher knowledge if u want to earn D.sc
it has nothing to do with medicines or surgery.
and in the end guys PharmDs are Expert of pharmacy
Md or MBBS r specialized in Surgery and diagnoses and writing a prescription
I mean everyone is specialized in their own field and no one can ever compare to other.
MBBS are Bachelors of medicine and Bachelors of surgery why do ppl call them doctor ..huh!
because they r medical Doctors
But PharmDs have only one reason why they r called Doctors because they have all the knowledge about their field of pharmacy i.e. DOCTORATE
so I dont think any one must be upset with that

 

What dumb shits? The doctorate term usually applies to the highest level of education associated with a specific field of study! In and of itself it signifies more learning that the basic levels of study such as the bachelors or masters! Over my 40+ years in the pharmaceutical industry I've found pharmD's to be much more educated than Rph or pharmacy tech's! DO's now have to pass the same exams as MD's, and in most fields PhD's are better than masters of the same dicipline! Sounds like someone has their 'panties in a wad over nothing', which is usually the case!

 

who fucking cares

 

What, did you type this on your telephone? I tried to read 2 sentences and said screw this. Didn't sound worth reading anyway, what a mo.

 

I agree with some of the other posters that pharmacists in the retail setting should not be called doctor as it is confusing. As for hospital pharmacists who have completed a residency and have way more knowledge on pharmacology then any MD or PA, yes they should definately be called doctors. Its funny how ignorant the general public and even healthcare providers are. Clinical pharmacists never count by 5s, they make clinical interventions and are a great benefit to the healthcare team. As for the issue of pharmacists not prescribing, they already are diagnosing and prescribing in Florida. As the future of pharmacy moves forward, more and more states will adobt that model. MDs take one semester of pharmacology, NPs and PAs take one class and they are the ones prescribing the medication? They dont know the first thing about how that medication is working and the biochemical interactions with other medications. Obviously pharmacists would be the best choice for prescribing medications as they are the drug experts. With the increase in clinical knowledge through obtaining a doctorate in pharmacy and completing a residency pharmacists are more knowledgable then ever, its a shame it always comes down to a turf war between the PharmDs and the MDs because it is not enhancing the future of healthcare. The future of healthcare is changing, either adapt or fall behind.

 

This has got to be the most entertaining thread I have ever read in any forum or message board. And I wish I knew the level of academic achievement of every poster so that I could mentally assign some sort of validity to the post.

Without a doubt the most ignorant post in this entire thread is this one: http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showpost.php?p=1893230&postcount=23. My daughter has a Master's degree, but to say that she is on par with the educational level of an MD is the stuff stand-up comedians pine for. And it's good to know from these great opinionators that my patients (I'm a DDS) should not be calling me doctor. That confuses me as the AMA lobbied for years to bring dentistry into their fold as a specialty. That's another topic.

Why it is that so many people here have an opinion as to what someone should or should not be called is hysterical. As pointed out in a few of the more coherent posts, patients should never be mislead into thinking that someone is a "doctor" if they are not. Whether a DO, DDS, MD or whoever has the certificate and the right to call themselves doctor want to be called so is their business. And for the author of the above mentioned post, if in your mind MD's and PhD's are the only 'true' doctors, then congratulations.....you are the only poster here that has identified themselves as someone who has completely wasted all the time and money spent on whatever education you've received.

 

I agree...it is very entertaining, but also quite sad. Whoever the obsessive/compulsive person who keeps this thread alive is, you have to wonder if they bothered to seek treatment.

PUHLEEZE...let this stupid thread die!

 

OK great than why don't we address attorneys as ‘Doctor’ even though they have a JD?

It is a recent movement where PharmD’s are asking to be addressed as ‘Doctor’. This stupid thread has little to do with the educational aspects or knowledge of a PharmD it is the insistence that they be addressed as Doctor.

In an academic setting I can understand addressing a PharmD as Doctor. In the healthcare setting it is simply an ego grab as it is not customary.

Why is it that we do not address lawyers (nor do they ask or expect to be addressed as doctor) who have earned a Juris Doctorate?

 

Many of the posts on this site seem rather ignorant. I hear jealousy from nurses that likely have a MSN or are NPs (likely from online schools). I also hear a bit of angst from those that are likely PhDs. I hope that you realize that many physicians throughout the world hold MBBS degrees that are, in fact, 6 years as a total investment. Are all the physicians in the world that hold an MBBS an idiot because they went through only 6 years of post-secondary training? These arguments that are made in regards to whether a PharmD is a doctor or not are absurd. In fact, many commonly performed drug therapies are done because of the work produced by pharmacists (e.g., pre-op antibiotic prophylaxis, vancomycin dosing, c. diff therapeutics, arrangement of drugs in crash carts for codes, digoxin blood levels and dosing, etc.).

Most of the students that attend excellent pharmacy schools DO in fact have bachelors degrees BEFORE 4 years of professional school due to the stiff competition in being accepted into the professional programs. In addition, it is nearly impossible to assume a patient care role in pharmacy without post-doctoral residency training for 1-2 years and board certification from the Board of Pharmaceutical Specialties (which requires accredited residency training or many years of direct patient care to be eligible to take the exam.).

Another fun fact is that there ARE physicians and dentists in the United States that go to medical or dental school WITHOUT finishing a bachelors degree. Thus, these individuals have a 7-year professional degree. These individuals that only have 7 years of post-secondary training are surely idiots--right? In addition, medical schools (MD terminal degree) are promoting 3 year MD degrees to individuals that will go into family or internal medicine when finished with their professional degree. In fact, if a student was accepted into an accelerated MD program after 3 years of post-secondary training and then completed 3 years of medical school, this would equal 6 years total training.

There are many fallacies in academia. This would also include the many nurses that received there associates, bachelors, and/or master's degrees in nursing ONLINE. I imagine only the finest of training is obtained, especially physical assessment and drug administration, in such a "challenging academic environment". On the other hand, some nurses have obtained top notch training and are brilliant individuals with caring hearts. I applaud and greatly respect those nurses. However, some nurses are idiots with subpar training and have letters after their name that were bought from crappy schools only looking to make a big profit by churning out people who could buy their credentials.

I think that all of the professionals in healthcare should be proud of their own accomplishments, professions, and positions. Stop bashing others that may have a title that makes you feel inferior. If you want a doctorate degree, go back to school and get one. However, when you bash professionals like: Michael Ryback, PharmD, Joseph DiPiro, PharmD, Mary Anne Koda-Kimbal, PharmD, Marie Chisholm-Burns, PharmD, MPH, J. Russell May, PharmD, then you are nothing short of an idiot. If these individuals are not doctors, then no one can call themselves by that title. These individuals have produced massive amounts of meaningful healthcare research that nurses, MDs, and PhDs utilize every day in the U.S. and around the world. PharmDs have earned their title, and you will only be hearing that title and witnessing their expanding role more and more in the future.

 

Unfortunately when you bell curve it out the PharmD names that you listed are to the far right and the vast majority of the rest are in the middle and to the left. Sure every ‘medical profession’ has levels of competency as there are some great ones and some awful ones and like most things the majority fall in the middle. With pharmacists, like it or not, most of the bell curve works in retail or hospitals and sorry I don’t care if you go to school for 20 years those job are mindless blue collar jobs that a monkey could do. Even worse are your ‘pharmacy directors’ at hospitals. So you give someone who is a ‘medical professional’ a job that really comes down to being a purchasing agent, so they can pretend to have some higher level of knowledge of the drugs. Most PharmD programs train their pupils in classes of drugs and nary come out an expert in any therapeutic area…so who do they lean on for P&T…the physician specialist who knows the drugs. The PharmD is a made up degree that never needed to exist in the first place. Again you could create a doctoral level program for chefs or bus drivers but it doesn’t make sense nor does it have a practical application in most cases.

Lastly most drug discovery does not come from PharmD’s is comes from PhD’s in chemistry, bio/chem etc. You guys are great at doing, again the blue collar jobs, like calculating PK/PD, AUC’s, etc. Let the real scientists do the work and we’ll stick you with the data entry…20 years ago you were valuable…today I can get a first year fellow do data entry into the computer for analysis…yes the analysis you used to do.

PS…”PharmDs have earned their title, and you will only be hearing that title and witnessing their expanding role more and more in the future”.

The above will never happen until you have tort reform in this country…”Wait Mrs. Jones you were not diagnosed and treated by a Medical Doctor but rather a Pharmacist and they misdiagnosed you”? “Well looks like you are now a multi-millionaire Mrs. Jones”…says her attorney.