This used to be.....

the one place on Cafe Pharma that adults would engage in civil conversation. I have to work with the adolescent bickering in my day job. Can we get back to what we used to be on this board? If you don't like what someone says, disagree respectfully or don't respond at all. If you find that you disagree or think that the other person is full of b.s. in the middle of the conversation....cease conversation! Thank You.

 

The board has been polluted by former reps that got kicked out and now want to trash the board out of frustration of having a lowered standard of living and declining careers.

 

Or smarter reps that CHOOSE to get out.

Those that have stayed in pharma are delusional, clinging to a good paycheck by supporting a corrupt industry.

Talented people have many ways to make money. So, I guess it is the untalented that stay in pharma. That is my take and I am sticking with it. How can you say I am wrong? What is it that you do all day anyway? Those in management? Those in the field? Those at home office? Its all a big scam.

And I was a rep for over 10 years, and I am ashamed that it took me so long to get out, by choice, for a better opportunity, where I am challenged everyday and have great income potential and more autonomy.

I guess that is the corporate culture that most of you have grown accustomed to, a toxic industry with toxic products.

I wish I could sugar coat it, but truth is truth.

 

Unless you work for yourself, every corporate culture in America is corrupt. It is all about big money and big profits for the executives at the cost of the middle class, the environment and public health, not to mention our entire culture headed down the toilet. You kid yourself if you think anywhere else is different. The corruption is just easier to see in pharma because it is so tightly regulated and always in the public eye. Imagine what goes on in the food, fuel, insurance and communication industries. You think it is any accident that our electronic technology peters out every couple years. Heck, growing up a television or washer and dryer used to last 20 years. A car used to last for 15 years trouble free. Our parents' generation did not have acid reflux disease. Heart disease certainly was a killer but we have not had fewer people getting heart attacks. Now, they survive at a great cost to healthcare and huge profits to industry. Despite all of our advancements I am no longer convinced we are better off for it. Our environment is beyond repair. The wealthy and the huge corporations dictate what the media presents to us. Freedom of any kind is an illusion as we are prisoners to consumerism and the profit mongers.

 

I would recommend registering. You will have the capability to report posts to the moderators. They have gotten around to eliminating some of the posts I have reported. I think if there was more of that kind of action being taken, they would step in more frequently.

There are some trolls that are dumb enough to perhaps never go away, but it is satisfying to see their posts go "poof."

 

Give me a break. The industry has many good people. It is the few bad apples that cause the problem. You can say the same thing about other businesses. Look at bankers, many good, some bad. How about car mechanics, life insurance, pastors, etc.

Everyone has choices. You made yours. Don't tell others how to make theirs. Many of us are happy where we are at and don't make broad generalized statements about a group of people, like you do.

Since you are no longer in the business, what are you even doing on this board.

 

Regarding the policy/legality of ex-pharma people posting here, I can answer your question about why people are using/allowed to use this board. Here are the CP Terms of Use: http://www.cafepharma.com/terms Ex-pharma people are not violating the TOU. If you don't believe me, then read it for yourself. If you come to a different conclusion than I have, then copy and paste the specific passage proving I'm wrong, and post it in reply.

The most specific stipulation for legal use is that users be older than 13 years of age, and those between the ages of 13 and 18 only do so with adult supervision. I don't think any current or former reps fall within that age range, unless they started very young, lol.

If you want to know the psychology of why someone comes back to CP after a few years of being gone from the industry, I suspect there is a different story for each individual. Ask me nicely, and I may tell you mine. If you want to troll on me, then I will ask you to explain your psychology as to why you troll here, then I will answer your question.

Until directed by the moderators to no longer post here, I will continue posting my opinions and reporting the posts I consider to be made by trolls. Anything with burgers, getting tossed, kicked, booted from Pharma, financial destitution, mental illness, or other such nonsense from leaving or remaining in Pharma is on my radar screen from now on. The moderators may not agree with what I report, but I will not stop until the trolling is eradicated, or the moderators delete my account.

 

Face it, people in this industry are reeling from all the downsizings, and its the classic case of the haves vs. the have nots. The haves in this industry made it by LUCK, or kissing the right butt, not on merit. And the have nots just got UNLUCKY.

That is where the conflict is.

I say move on and find something you like to do.

 

very well stated!! 100% true.

 

I agree but you will never get the 'haves' that they got their wealth and jobs any way other than their brilliance, hard work and great numbers. I have met only a handful of old timers that really merited all the accolades they received over their career. However, I have met a few good gamers who managed to stay invisible and in the middle, who just were never on anyone's radar. They also seem to fair pretty well. Anyone in this industry longer then 15 years, is pretty much tough as nails to put up with so much B.S., uncertainty, instability, change and ridiculous goals. My hat's off to those that managed to hang in there and still stay good honest people.

 

The "have's" vs. "have not's" is an interesting perspective comparing continuing pharma employment vs. post-pharma. Thank you for that perspective. I was more concerned with have/have not while I was in the industry, not afterwards. I was never in a downsizing situation so being a have or a have not wasn't a determining factor in whether or not one's career ended.

You know the old saying, "Luck is preparation meeting opportunity." What have you moved on and found to do?

 

Trust me, it is luck.

Luck is not when preparation and opportunity meet either. That is a simple concept.

In pharma, you have a corporate J-O-B, and that is never a good thing, because corporate jobs suck the life out of people.

Bad way to live.

don't worry about what I do. All I can tell you is that I work 10-12 hours a day and enjoy every minute of it, and I work six days a week.

I just hit the jackpot, I guess. I will NEVER go back to the corporate sales gig. it is just too political for me.

Its all a mess, the corporate grind.

YOUNG people reading this should take my advice and NOT go to college, and start a cash business, such a barber, or food vending, or hole in the wall restaurant with good food.

Stay away from corporate.

 

Great advice....you definitely get it...I could never go back to corporate Amerika now...it is just too toxic and too political...what an awful life it is, but you don't get it when you are in your 20's or 30s...Then you wake up one day in your 40s and 50s and realize you have been swindled out of a good chunk of your life...

FU PHARMA INDUSTRY!!

 

This is a typical post by someone that does not have the intellect and skills to get ahead in their career. Rather than admit their shortcomings, they want to blame it on a lack of luck or some other b.s. issue.

Politics are typical regardless of the size of the business. It no longer applies when you own and run a company. It is just part of life.

At the end of the day, if you prove your value, you will get ahead. If you goal is to do as little to get by, you will not go anywhere.

 

Congratulations on finding that jackpot! The 60-hour, six day work week wouldn't bother me either. I worked 8-10 hours a day, seven days a week when I got my first helicopter job (Flight Instructor). It didn't bother me a bit. It always bothered me to spin my wheels in my territory, just making work up in places where access was bad. I wanted to WORK at something and see more results than just numbers on a page at the end of the month.

I'm too religious to totally believe in luck, lol. I lean more toward the preparation/opportunity point of view. Basically it consisted of being prepared to leave for a better opportunity when one came up, no matter how good my current position tended to be.

I will confess that I always fly with some top secret lucky charms that would lose their luck if I let anyone know what they are. I say it's just for fun, but...

 

You came on here to advise the "young" not to go to college? That's your advice? getting a college education isn't about getting a "corporate" job. It's pretty irresponsible and introspective of you to advise this.

 

Spoken like a true corporate type. I am in my 40s, and have an advanced degree and have worked the corporate gig for almost 20 years...

and the smartest and most successful (and generally better people) that I have encountered are those that did NOT go to college.

Look at what they teach in public schools and colleges today, its a socialist mindset. That in itself is terrible...

but the loans that most incur to go to college is terrible as well, especially for what the reward is (a corporate jobs, where are you usually treated like a kid).

Have a great day!

 

I must respond to this: Let's look at what happened to all the rest of those that DIDN'T make it to a college degree. The numbers are overwhelming. Stick the 4 years out, or 5 years, and get the degree. It is an entry level requirement to so many jobs, why limit yourself to starting at the bottom?

 

MOST people that graduate from college have just learned how to take orders better than others.

They are definitely not any smarter.

Welfare kills a lot of people because they never learn how to work for something. So, I guess college is good from that standpoint, because you have to work to get the degree (even though colleges are very watered down today, and it is not very difficult to earn a degree).

With all that stated, I still think it is better for people to just take up a trade and skip college, or start a small business to pay the bills.

Nothing is worse in life that having to work for others, and being a corporate drone like most of you on here.

And you justify it because of you bank account and benefits and vacations and cars and nice homes. Sure, that stuff is great, but at the end of the day, most of you are misreable people.

Hate to state that, but it is very true. A breed of people that never have enough, and follow the material world to a tee, as if that is all there is to life.

Cheers!

 

Anyone that believes your posts is a moron.

Skipping college is a sure ticket towards having to work for someone else and that work will probably be something menial. We can also look at study after study that compares income levels of college graduates versus non-graduates and see huge income differences.

As to your "justification" blather, a corporate job does not mean everyone spends beyond their means. People from all walks of life, corporate and otherwise, spend beyond their means. Those that are financially literate, know that you need to have a budget and have consistent savings, while avoiding debt. The benefit of a corporate job is that you often have much better benefits and a better salary that allows you to put even more in savings.