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<p>[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 4475030"]Oh, we're in point/counterpoint mode, are we? OK, here's goes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Point #1: YOU were the one that said those were our sales calls. So, by your definition, I assume you've been riding with our reps and copying down, word for word what they say? No? Ok. Then, by your own definition, you were lying. </p><p><br /></p><p>Point #2: So, the minority of employees define who a company is? So, when 2-3 employees do something wrong/illegal, it defines the company culture? Really? Is that seriously your argument? We have 2500 sales reps. The actions of 2497 define who we are, not the actions of 3. Nice try, though. Just poor logic.</p><p><br /></p><p>Point #3: You use your local diabetes camp as your example. NNI invests more in R&D into diabetes than any other organization in the world, except the US government. We started the World Diabetes Foundation. We're the platinum sponsor for the ADA, AACE, AADE, and JDRF. We run the Hagedorn Research Institute that is actually trying to find a CURE for diabetes. We run free clinics throughout the world to provide diabetes care in impoverished nations. I'm glad Sanofi supports your local diabetes camps. Congrats.</p><p><br /></p><p>Point #4: You apparently don't understand the situation in Greece nor do you understand the EU. Study up and try a new argument if you think what you do in Greece won't bleed over to Germany and other countries. And, of course, Sanofi didn't issue a press release as a thank you to Novo Nordisk. They're too arrogant to publicly admit that they need NNI strength in Europe to accomplish anything. The thanks were delivered in private.</p><p><br /></p><p>Point #5: Yeah, keeping products on the market and trying to squeeze more money out of them until the authorities FORCE you to pull them off really is the beacon of responsibility isn't it? You guys were wonderful with Ketek as well, weren't you? What steps did Sanofi take that the government didn't MAKE them take? I'm glad your reps posted comments saying they would maintain their integrity. Unfortunately, the people who run your company didn't act in the same manner. Too bad.</p><p><br /></p><p>I see our disconnect here. I use facts and logic to back up my arguments, where you use conjecture and anectdotal stories to back up yours. I'm sure we won't agree on these points either. However, I am done. I will hand your boards back to you, and you can go back to bitching about your managers and the difference between the Sanofi legacy and Aventis legacy people, as those seem to be extremely important topics that you guys need to tacke on here. Good luck with that. I think Sanofi is planning another extra special Christmas present for you again this year......[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 4475030"]Oh, we're in point/counterpoint mode, are we? OK, here's goes. Point #1: YOU were the one that said those were our sales calls. So, by your definition, I assume you've been riding with our reps and copying down, word for word what they say? No? Ok. Then, by your own definition, you were lying. Point #2: So, the minority of employees define who a company is? So, when 2-3 employees do something wrong/illegal, it defines the company culture? Really? Is that seriously your argument? We have 2500 sales reps. The actions of 2497 define who we are, not the actions of 3. Nice try, though. Just poor logic. Point #3: You use your local diabetes camp as your example. NNI invests more in R&D into diabetes than any other organization in the world, except the US government. We started the World Diabetes Foundation. We're the platinum sponsor for the ADA, AACE, AADE, and JDRF. We run the Hagedorn Research Institute that is actually trying to find a CURE for diabetes. We run free clinics throughout the world to provide diabetes care in impoverished nations. I'm glad Sanofi supports your local diabetes camps. Congrats. Point #4: You apparently don't understand the situation in Greece nor do you understand the EU. Study up and try a new argument if you think what you do in Greece won't bleed over to Germany and other countries. And, of course, Sanofi didn't issue a press release as a thank you to Novo Nordisk. They're too arrogant to publicly admit that they need NNI strength in Europe to accomplish anything. The thanks were delivered in private. Point #5: Yeah, keeping products on the market and trying to squeeze more money out of them until the authorities FORCE you to pull them off really is the beacon of responsibility isn't it? You guys were wonderful with Ketek as well, weren't you? What steps did Sanofi take that the government didn't MAKE them take? I'm glad your reps posted comments saying they would maintain their integrity. Unfortunately, the people who run your company didn't act in the same manner. Too bad. I see our disconnect here. I use facts and logic to back up my arguments, where you use conjecture and anectdotal stories to back up yours. I'm sure we won't agree on these points either. However, I am done. I will hand your boards back to you, and you can go back to bitching about your managers and the difference between the Sanofi legacy and Aventis legacy people, as those seem to be extremely important topics that you guys need to tacke on here. Good luck with that. I think Sanofi is planning another extra special Christmas present for you again this year......[/QUOTE]
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