Why no universal personal responsibility?

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  1. Anonymous

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    I guess "free shit" from government is just too damn good to pass up.
     

  2. Anonymous

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    because there is no such thing as personal responsibility when,
    we're in this together
    http://vimeo.com/3703443

    no one should have to go bankrupt to save their life, have a baby, undergo a triple by-pass, get cancer treatment, ...
     
  3. Anonymous

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    Article 25.

    (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

    http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
     
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  5. Anonymous

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    the UDHR is a 20th century expression of the fundamental principles of the 18th century's declaration of independence. do read all the UDHR articles and then revisit the following statement:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    any careful analysis of the above statement indicates the founding fathers left the door open on what are unalienable rights. and besides, the UDHR actually ditches the whole slavery thing and recognizes that all human beings are equal ;-)

    you and many others still don't get it. america is now a corporatist plutocracy. has been since the gilded age.

    those elections, democratic process? red team vs. blue team. illusions of choice.

    obama and the democrats are far cries from being marxists or communists. they're not even as socialist as the typical right of centre and right-centre parties in europe.



    most americans are brainwashed, understandably, regarding marxism/communism - "it's all evil." most don't understand that the communist manifesto was of lesser import than das kapital. have you read a copy?

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

    now consider marx in the time/space context of the middle 1800s and how he nailed the stages of capitalism - we're in the end throes now. the uber-wealthy, capitalist class have read marx and see the monster they've now created in the form of the great financial crisis of 2008. watch their actions, not their words. it will be an interesting next 5 - 10 years...

    oh, and read/watch a little david harvey. he's the only one who actually understands marx today and offers some solutions to the status quo, i.e. continued societal rape by the plutocrats.

    http://davidharvey.org/
     
  6. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    Canadians are so irrelevant.
     
  7. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    David Harvey.... The only person or thing more irrelevant than Canadians.
     
  8. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    "the UDHR actually ditches the whole slavery thing and recognizes that all human beings are equal ;-)"

    It was this statement that ended slavery, Moron, not The UDHR. Welcome to the party... better late than never?!?

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
     
  9. Anonymous

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    Ruthless Tyrants Win Seats on UN “Human Rights” Council

    A motley assortment of the planet’s most ruthless Islamist and communist autocracies were appointed on November 12 to sit on the increasingly discredited United Nations “Human Rights” Council (UN HRC), drawing swift condemnation and ridicule from around the world. The week before, the mass-murdering dictatorship ruling over mainland China had its “education vice-minister” elected to lead the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), adding more fuel to the fire for critics who advocate an immediate American withdrawal from the scandal-plagued planetary outfits.

    Among the mass-murdering regimes selected to sit on the UN’s self-styled “human rights” entity were the brutal communist dictatorships enslaving the people of China, Cuba, and Vietnam, along with the hardline Islamic tyrants ruling over Algeria and Saudi Arabia. Of course, numerous critics have pointed out that those are some of the most repressive tyrannies on earth. Vladimir Putin’s Russian government, widely criticized as a gangster regime, was also chosen to sit on the global body supposedly charged with upholding “human rights” around the world. Other brutal autocrats were already on the council prior to the most recent additions.

    Don't make me laugh a Euro-trash, preacher nan.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/16936-ruthless-tyrants-win-seats-on-un-human-rights-council
     
  10. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    if you like your slavery, you can keep it.
     
  11. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    the new american? are you f---ing kidding me?!

    that rag is published by the John Birch Society. you're definitely white, probably male, and most likely over 50. you harbor racial prejudices, although you might not consider yourself a racist.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/John_Birch_Society
     
  12. Anonymous

    Anonymous Guest

    you must also believe that pope francis is more irrelevant than david harvey:


    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html
     
  13. Anonymous

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    Use whatever source you want. The U.N. is a complete joke.

    The Commission was repeatedly criticized for the composition of its membership. In particular, several of its member countries themselves had dubious human rights records, including states whose representatives had been elected to chair the commission.
    Another criticism was that the Commission did not engage in constructive discussion of human rights issues, but was a forum for politically selective finger-pointing and criticism. The desire of states with problematic human rights records to be elected to the Commission was viewed largely as a way to defend themselves from such attacks.
    Activist groups had long expressed concern over the memberships of the People's Republic of China, Zimbabwe, Russia, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and the past memberships of Algeria, Syria, Libya, Uganda and Vietnam on the Commission. These countries had extensive records of human rights violations, and one concern was that by working against resolutions on the commission condemning human rights violations, they indirectly promoted despotism and domestic repression.
    On May 4, 2004, United States ambassador Sichan Siv walked out of the Commission following the uncontested election of Sudan to the commission, calling it an "absurdity" in light of Sudan's ethnic cleansing in the Darfur region. One major consequence of the election of Sudan to the Commission was the lack of willingness for some countries to work through the commission. Indeed, on July 30, 2004, it was the United Nations Security Council, not the Commission, that passed a resolution—by 13–0, with China and Pakistan abstaining—threatening Sudan with unspecified sanctions if the situation in the Darfur region did not improve within the following 30 days. The reasons given for the action were the attacks by the Janjaweed Arab militias of Sudan on the non-Arab African Muslim population of Darfur, a region in western Sudan.
     
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  15. Anonymous

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    You morons can NEVER debate facts... ALWAYS trying to discredit the source. FACTS ARE FACTS.

    (Reuters) - China, Cuba, Russia and Saudi Arabia on Tuesday won three-year seats on the Geneva-based Human Rights Council, the United Nations' top rights body, despite concerns about abuses and restrictions on freedoms in all four nations.

    U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power said the newly elected members of the council include "some that commit significant violations of the rights the council is designed to advance and protect" and that the election itself was a reminder that the council's work remains unfinished.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/12/us-un-rights-council-idUSBRE9AB19E20131112
     
  16. Anonymous

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    The UN is a joke and everyone knows it. It is diplomacy by academics. I spent 4 years in a top tier University where I came to loathe the hypocrisy of the UN. The irony is that many of my professors agreed with me.

    The only UN that works is the model UN.
     
  17. Anonymous

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    Why do the 47% want all of the rights with none of the responsibilities?
     
  18. Anonymous

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    If having a baby makes you go bankrupt, perhaps you shouldn't be having a baby... Oh wait, that would require personal responsibility.

    Society should not have to go bankrupt paying for illegitimate forms of government. America is the most charitable nation in the world. Too many people confuse government with charity.
     
  19. Anonymous

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    i can see the american conservative & libertarian crew are out in full effect.

    big corp. loves the work you do. i hope you're getting paid at least.

    with a government that is effectively managed by big corp. and a citizenry distracted by bread and circuses, it's no wonder that this show will end in tragedy.
     
  20. Anonymous

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    And your alternative is a government that is effectively managed by itself? That is impossible.

    Humans are infallible creatures. Government is a reflection of that. Corporations are no more or less evil than government. At least a corporation cannot easily take away my rights.