You might look good in that suit

Look, no offense, but you are in the minority. There's a reason why pharmacists are on the other side of the counter and have people come up to them. Sames goes for healthcare professionals. Think about it, their customer comes to them. They don't need to go hunt for it. There is a large amount of "scientific people" who are not comfortable knocking on doors and many who don't have the assertiveness to come back when a door gets slammed in their face. I would love to see a pilot where they hire only "scientific people" and run them in a few territories vs. a control group of "typical sales people" with the exact same reimbursement make up and see what happens. It's all about drive and perseverance and not how many letters appear at the end of your name.

 

If a nurses or a pharmacists proves themselves in an interview and beat out hundreds of other applicants for a pharmaceutical sales position it's because they not only have the drive and perseverance to sell effectively BUT ALSO HAVE THE EDUCATION, FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE AND MEDICAL EXPERIENCE TO DEAL WITH PHYSICIANS AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. That's something liberal arts and business majors will never have.

 

Most of us in the HO have field-based experience and know exactly what goes on and have chosen to move in-house and work with the real world and work an honest days work. Several times a year we in the HO do settle in the front seat of your unkempt, free company cars for the day and suppress our laughter when we see the tremendous manufactured effort you and your manager put into your flashy dog and pony show for us. We know that it takes approximately a month for you and your manager to coordinate and manufacture a "typical day in the field". Your carefully planned scheduled appointments with key targets would never organically occurr if you hadn't begged them for weeks about making an appointment with you. We also know that our field day with you is the only day in the year when you actually break out the detail pieces, numbers, clinical studies, and tools that you are supposed to be using with your customers day everyday but never do. We know your act. The reps and managers aren't fooling anyone here. You just give us a lot to chuckle about behind your backs.

 

Right, IF THEY BEAT THEM OUT. Chances are if that happens its because they have other social skills and not just that they are a pharmacist or nurse. But, the original poster is implying ALL "scientific people" should have this job and no one else when "scientific people" are not known as sales people. Last I checked this is still a sales job.

Ever see a pharmacist cringe when they have walk up front to answer a patients question that the tech can't handle. They hide behind the counter. And I'm not saying ALL but a good amount do.

 

Same here. What does your statement above tell you about your detail pieces that we spend millions on including the horrible research that goes into developing them. All so you HO people can pat yourself on the back and make rap videos starring yopurselves even though no one knows who you are because you show your face once a year. Why don't you try listening to the field? Our customers hate the watered down pieces you develop and thats why they don't get used. But rather than show some creativity and come up with something useful you recirculate the same stale data in a different graph and package it like you're so innovative. Trust me, we laugh at you too. Especially when you stand up at a cycle meeting for your brief half hour mandatory face time and then hit the road as soon as you're done. Good riddance!

Everyone reading should take note of this entire thread because this company has a major disease and it's the contempt for their employees. Everyone here points the finger somewhere else in hopes of saving their ass so they can collect a check and a pension for time served. I laugh harder when I hear you went into the HO to work a full day. Does that include the endless meetings where nothing gets accomplished and the hours spent in a buddy's cube chit chatting? I've worked at a couple pharma companies and can honestly tell you that the fools at Ortho McNeil are the worst when it comes to treatment of their sales force. This company is riddled with disease and it starts with the feelings expressed on this original thread.

 

Well said!

 

Very well said!

 

You should respect your HO colleagues who went from easy, cushy field-based positions with freebies and all expenses paid everyday to working in house to prove themselves to work their way towards various and diverse advanced position within jnj. We laugh at how lazy the field is and how poor their acting abilities are at the meetings and during field days. We know who really works out there and who's full of hot air. You're not fooling any of us.
Funny how reps and managers think they alone are responsible for the sales of jnj products in a multi-million dollar territory. Someone should inform the egomaniacs in the field it's a company-wide team effort to get a physician to prescribe a product.
Very telling that you have negative things to say about mcneil. You must be in one of the extremely privileged and overpaid biotech divisions of jnj. You and all your geriatric cronies who can't be bothered doing anything different or extra to generate business are now in for a rude awakening. Keep thinking that the biotech reps and managers are superior to your equally experienced and tenured counterparts at other pharmaceutical and diagnostic jnj operating companies. mcneil reps and managers are known to be hungry and tenacious for the business and will go above and beyond to promote their products to their targeted customers. The biotech reps at jnj have a reputation for never bothering going out into the field to try to see their customers and instead fake physician calls with their managers who turn a blind eye on their underlings fraudulent acts. I guess the reps must have some good dirt on the managers if they don't mind that their reps are working their second businesses during the day on the company dime. Additionally jnj biotech reps are never seen working in the hospitals, clinics, offices, and pharmacies during the day by other drug and device reps because they feel they are above what's required of a 9-5 plus job. Most biotech reps also complain whenever they are expected to do any programs in their territories. Apparently all the years of market research proving ROI on the tools the HO puts out for the field is false in the world of biotech drugs. Most biotech reps here are entitled, overpaid, and lazy people who don't realize how good they had it...notice that I said "had it", not "have it"; your party's over. Sorry that you and your biotech crew think it's above you to make pharmacy calls. The mcneil reps and managers have no problem embracing any and all company-directed initiatives to increase sales. If you're worried mcneil and other jnj pharmaceutical and device operating companies are going to be taking over the complacent and overpaid biotech reps and managers spots it's because you should be. Tell your biotech cronies to either get working or get their resume ready to interview with quintiles. Jnj biotech upper brass has finally woken up and smelled the coffee and it's about time.

 

It appears that the pharmaceutical and biotech divisions at J&J will be merging within the next two years (if not sooner). Add the contract sales reps and managers from Quintiles to the mix and you can count on serious layoffs for all J&J employees with each upcoming redeployment and realignment.

 

Lol- keep responding on to your own post.

 

Sounds like a response from someone without a science degree. I guess you'll continue with the other basketweavers cheating on every training module and test you are forced to take to keep your job here.

 

Molecular Biology - Stanford 97 And I am a SALES PERSON first and not leaning on my degree, which I use none of by the way because of my excellent managed care coverage. No advanced degree needed for being able to communicate "Its on formulary Dr."

 

Hey field reps: make sure you remember to order pepperoni and sausage on the pizzas and have the cheap lunch delivered by 11:45 to the conference room cause that's what your top office wants for your noon in-service. Don't forget to have your caterer meet you at your car in the lot at 11:15 with the packed up, travel-ready veal parmigiana, penne a la vodka, and ceaser salad for 30 to bring home to your hungry family which you expensed on the same bill. Funny how your prius smelled like garlic on my field day with you last week. Enjoy your family meals on the company dime while it lasts. The sunshine act goes into effect in a couple of months and your poor family is going to have to start eating mac and cheese after all these years of free gourmet catered meals on jnj.

 

Yeah just like you do in our subsidized cafeteria that feeds your cubicle hibernating fat ass. Good thing the sales we drive help get you that breakfast, lunch and dinner (when you pretend to work those long hours) all for about 3 bucks a pop.

 

Lol. Field Reps and Managers think they are entitled to daily and expensive $25 breakfasts, $50 lunches, and $100 dinner "Business Meetings" with their other rep friends everyday which they write off on their expense accounts. Great life eating gourmet food at their favorite restaurants on jnj three times a day while goofing off and gossiping in restaurants for hours on end with their buddies while they should be working at their doctors offices, clinics, hospitals, and making pharmacy calls. And speaking of fat, at the last meeting, most of the field looked a bit pudgy in their cheap wrinkled polyester suits. Might want to forego your favorite dessert after each meal at the daily jnj subsidized "Business Meetings".

 

$25, $50 & $100 are the limits that home office puts on meals for our CUSTOMERS and not an allowance for us to eat on. So take your issue up with HCC. Furthermore how many meals have you scarfed while attending countless lunch meetings in the conference room where you contribute nothing. Not to mention all the leftover cookies and bottles of water you bring back to your cube at the end of the meeting. I also love the big "all-employee" celebrations when a brand hits some milestone and every fat ass who has ZERO impact on the business comes down for their nice big hunk of cake.

P.S. I'll take my chances hitting a field babe than some home office skank who shows up for work dressed in capri pants, flip flops and big 'ol tattoo showing like half of the skally-wags in the Raritan and Titusville cafeteria. Moooooo!

 

I never want to go to a doctor that gets their info from a sale rep. Are you kidding. Doctors are smart enough and converse with other docs to learn about the f&b's of drugs. They don't need a 25 yr old chick in a short skirt who doesn't know the difference between HBP and constipation to inform them of what viagra does.

I am in medical device (ortho) and was with J&J a long time ago. Trust me. There is no need for drug reps. Device reps, yes. Drug Reps no (except if you want a freee lunch)

 

get out of Pharma now. Run as fast as you can. Get into Device where it is more stable. Oh wait, you can't because you actualy have to sell in device and not just bring in lunches. Pharma reps are the biggest joke around, I wouldn't hire an pharma reps for device because they don't sell. They detail a doctor (whatever the f*ck that is).

For the poster that tried to justify his/her job, way to have an inflated sense of self-worth, I think docs cam write a script without the help of of a pharma sales (sarcastic) rep

 

Your mother says the same thing. She likes reps with the big devices. And the bigger and blacker the better.

 

The only 'inflated sense of self-worth' I detect here is yours -- based on what you wrote and on the fact that you took the time to come here and write it. The whole idea that you would bother doesn't even make sense.