Would you become a PA or ARNP?

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Anonymous said:
Trust me cupcake. Your practice will never thrive. I'll take the MD over you any day of the week. You're the laughing stock among the medical device reps. And we make a boat load more money than you.
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Nice attitude. This is why device reps are the laughing stock of the medical community. Trust me cupcake. You are neither liked or respected, you are tolerated. You can take your boatload of money and float up along side happiness and fulfillment when device goes the way of the pharmaceutical rep in a few years. You are all one "adverse event" away from unemployment.

I know plenty of PA's and NP's who thrive. Studies show they do as good a job as an MD in managing patients, and they have a higher patient satifaction rating, and most love what they do.

It ain't all about the money. And if it is, I feel sorry for you and whoever has the misfortune of spending their life with you.
 


Anonymous said:
Nice attitude. This is why device reps are the laughing stock of the medical community. Trust me cupcake. You are neither liked or respected, you are tolerated. You can take your boatload of money and float up along side happiness and fulfillment when device goes the way of the pharmaceutical rep in a few years. You are all one "adverse event" away from unemployment.

I know plenty of PA's and NP's who thrive. Studies show they do as good a job as an MD in managing patients, and they have a higher patient satifaction rating, and most love what they do.

It ain't all about the money. And if it is, I feel sorry for you and whoever has the misfortune of spending their life with you.
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its so true, I have never met a medical device rep that really loved their work. they are so stressed out, and hate their jobs.

worse, most spend their money on silly things like fast cars and fast living. its like they make money to just consume and consume.

very arrogant as well.

its a bad business for the most part also. and like you said, it will get worse under the new healtcare plan.

on thing I do notice about medical device reps and I am being serious, they are always biting their nails!

weird, but I see that a lot. That tells me that they are stressed out of their minds.

As for PA or NP, those are very good jobs because they are always in need, and you can always find work.

Do it!

It beats any corporate sales job, that is for sure.
 


Anonymous said:
It beats any corporate sales job, that is for sure.
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Just some food for thought...while it's not sales per se, practitioner jobs are becoming more corporate-like as well. How prevalent are medical doctor solo/private practices these days? I've never seen solo/private PA groups or ARNP groups but I'm sure they exist too but again, maybe not very prevalent. Seems like most physicians/practitioners work for large healthcare systems or form large partnership groups. Either way, corporate leadership/practice director, etc. is telling doctors/practitioners who to see, how many patients to see per day, how long each visit will take, who to refer patients to, what tests can be ordered, etc. You might get more career satisfaction being a practitioner vs. a sales rep but don't assume the grass is greener. It might be worth your while to do an informational interview with a local PA/ARNP.
 


Anonymous said:
Just some food for thought...while it's not sales per se, practitioner jobs are becoming more corporate-like as well. How prevalent are medical doctor solo/private practices these days? I've never seen solo/private PA groups or ARNP groups but I'm sure they exist too but again, maybe not very prevalent. Seems like most physicians/practitioners work for large healthcare systems or form large partnership groups. Either way, corporate leadership/practice director, etc. is telling doctors/practitioners who to see, how many patients to see per day, how long each visit will take, who to refer patients to, what tests can be ordered, etc. You might get more career satisfaction being a practitioner vs. a sales rep but don't assume the grass is greener. It might be worth your while to do an informational interview with a local PA/ARNP.
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makes sense.
The sales gig is what I know, so I comment on that. I see what you are saying, about these organizations run by corporate types, and telling these practitioners to push testing and other for profit situations to their patients.

Regardless, I can't imagine anything being more of a corporate mind kcuf than pharma sales, with the small minded mangers and all.
 


Anonymous said:
Just some food for thought...while it's not sales per se, practitioner jobs are becoming more corporate-like as well. How prevalent are medical doctor solo/private practices these days? I've never seen solo/private PA groups or ARNP groups but I'm sure they exist too but again, maybe not very prevalent. Seems like most physicians/practitioners work for large healthcare systems or form large partnership groups. Either way, corporate leadership/practice director, etc. is telling doctors/practitioners who to see, how many patients to see per day, how long each visit will take, who to refer patients to, what tests can be ordered, etc. You might get more career satisfaction being a practitioner vs. a sales rep but don't assume the grass is greener. It might be worth your while to do an informational interview with a local PA/ARNP.
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Doctors forced to admit patients regardless of need. Check out tonight's 60 minutes episode about HMA and their admissions quotas:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50136261n
 


Walking Eagle said:
PA: college, two years of PA school, instatnly "qualified" to diagnose, treat and Rx.
NP: several years as an RN treating/caring for patients, most have hospital experience, hands on caring for sick people wiht understanding of their conditions and the meds used to treat them, two or more years NP school.

Experience counts.
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WE:

Don't disagree that "experience counts" but the majority of PAs have allied health experience before going to PA school. It is a second career for many PAs. They have backgrounds as pharmacists, physical therapists, and other allied health fields. It would be rare that a student right out of undergrad. would get into a PA program.
 


Anonymous said:
WE:

Don't disagree that "experience counts" but the majority of PAs have allied health experience before going to PA school. It is a second career for many PAs. They have backgrounds as pharmacists, physical therapists, and other allied health fields. It would be rare that a student right out of undergrad. would get into a PA program.
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Plus PAs leave their programs with nearly 3X the clinical hours of training as advanced diagnosticians versus nurse practitioners. Years spent in nursing as an RN are not spent as a clinician. You are not trained at diagnosing a patient as a nurse.

You friggin nurses and your damn inferiority complexes make me sick. Get over yourselves.
 


I have 15+ yrs in pharma and clinical lab sales but despite the $, I have always wanted to go back to get a PA or MD degree. I have an MBA (which was almost like a right of passage in my company) and have taken most of the pre-med courses. Have thought about off-shore med schools, but PA seems like a reasonable choice here in the US. Any thoughts or suggestions?
 



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