Mark Halperin: Obamacare Contains "Death Panels"

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  1. Anonymous

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  2. Anonymous

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    Well if I was in my 90's, in a coma with no advanced directive; I sure as hell would not want heroic and expensive measures to keep me alive.
     
  3. Anonymous

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    Yeah... let's put unaccountable, government bureaucrats in charge of life and death decisions. BRILLIANT!
     
  4. runbch

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    It sounds bad and I can see a dozen ways things can go wrong. However I wouldn't condemn it just yet.
     
  5. Anonymous

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    Death Panels. Forget ever having a rational discussion about end of life care in this country. Now let's complain about the sky high costs of medicare.
     
  6. Anonymous

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    Death panels are the best way to start a rational discussion about end of life care.... What a moron.
     
  7. Anonymous

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    Here's a nice discussion...

    Member of the audience. Jane Sturm: “My mother is now over 105. But at 100, the doctors said to her, ‘I can’t do anything more unless you have a pacemaker.’ I said, ‘Go for it.’ She said, ‘Go for it.’ But the specialist said, ‘No, she’s too old.’ But when the other specialist saw her and saw her joy of life, he said, ‘I’m going for it.’ That was over five years ago. My question to you is: Outside the medical criteria for prolonging life for somebody who is elderly, is there any consideration that can be given for a certain spirit, a certain joy of living, a quality of life, or is it just a medical cutoff at a certain age?”

    Obama: “I don’t think that we can make judgments based on people’s ‘spirit.’ Uh, that would be, uh, a pretty subjective decision to be making. I think we have to have rules that, uh, say that, uh, we are going to provide good quality care for all people. End-of-life care is one of the most difficult sets of decisions that we’re going to have to make. But understand that those decisions are already being made in one way or another. If they’re not being made under Medicare and Medicaid, they’re being made by private insurers. At least we can let doctors know — and your mom know — that you know what, maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off, uhh, not having the surgery, but, uhh, taking the painkiller.” Do you realize how cold and heartless that answer is? This woman is asking about her mother. And everywhere she went, except one doctor, refused to put in the pacemaker. “Nah, she’s too old; she’s going to die anyway.”

    So they found a specialist: “Maybe this woman really loves living. I’ll put it in.” She’s lived five years with the pacemaker, and still Obama: “Maybe you’re better off to tell your mother to take a pill, take a painkiller.” See, we have to have rules. “We have to have rules. Your mother should have died five years ago, lady. She would have been better off taking that painkiller.” Who says we have to have his rules? The President of the United States is not a king. He’s not an autocrat. He’s not a ruler. He doesn’t get to set the rules. Obama has taken it upon himself to do so. This woman found a way to get her mother a pacemaker. With Obamacare, you just heard the answer: It wouldn’t have happened.
     
  8. anonymous

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    No they aren't.......what an idiot!
     
  9. anonymous

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    Hey, it's easy to save money. It's always
    Easier and cheaper to deny care! I suggest
    We start With You and Your family and friends first!
     
  10. anonymous

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    If you don't condemn it now, you'll never get the chance. You'll be dead as the result of a death panel.
     
  11. anonymous

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    There's an easy solution to that situation. Make sure you have an advance directive, by the age of 90 You've had more than enough time to do that.