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Protect yourself and document who is with you in the OR whether that be a manager or whoever else. That would be my advice. Date, time, reason. I know for a fact that these things are being watched in accounts. If lawsuits arise you want to be protected. If Ethicon says its ok for more than just the rep to be present in the OR then document document document.
 


I will weigh in on this because it is something I know hospitals are taking much more seriously. The pandemic obviously heightened awareness and this push for limited traffic in and out of the theater. In my area, every single one of my hospitals will stop any rep that is accompanied by another person and question you. Common sense would tell you that most reps and companies understand the environment and would not attempt to do this anyway but you would be surprised.

I did see a rep in December get turned away with someone that I presume was her manager. I have good relationships at this account so it was a discussion we had after it happened. They said they were going to report the rep and the "manager"

SSI's occur in apprx 3 percent of all cases. 100's of infections occure daily and those are facts that can be verified. Also, there is plenty of data easily found online that correlates the amount of people in a room to increased risk.

Jnj will be making this a policy where only the primary rep aligned to the account is allowed in a Operating Room.
 


anonymous said:
Protect yourself and document who is with you in the OR whether that be a manager or whoever else. That would be my advice. Date, time, reason. I know for a fact that these things are being watched in accounts. If lawsuits arise you want to be protected. If Ethicon says its ok for more than just the rep to be present in the OR then document document document.
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Good advice. This is a huge issue and I'm not sure why Ethicon remains silent.
 






anonymous said:
Good advice. This is a huge issue and I'm not sure why Ethicon remains silent.
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Maybe they don't care about the welfare of patients after all? Only 1 person should ever be in an OR at the same time, period. There is no good reason to risk the lives of patients no matter how small you "perceive" that risk is. Fact is a manger or trainee in the same OR as the rep raises serious and potentially deadly risk factors.

Any manager that is currently walking into a hospital should be reported to the credo hotline. Patients must be fully protected
 


anonymous said:
I will weigh in on this because it is something I know hospitals are taking much more seriously. The pandemic obviously heightened awareness and this push for limited traffic in and out of the theater. In my area, every single one of my hospitals will stop any rep that is accompanied by another person and question you. Common sense would tell you that most reps and companies understand the environment and would not attempt to do this anyway but you would be surprised.

I did see a rep in December get turned away with someone that I presume was her manager. I have good relationships at this account so it was a discussion we had after it happened. They said they were going to report the rep and the "manager"

SSI's occur in apprx 3 percent of all cases. 100's of infections occure daily and those are facts that can be verified. Also, there is plenty of data easily found online that correlates the amount of people in a room to increased risk.

Jnj will be making this a policy where only the primary rep aligned to the account is allowed in a Operating Room.
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I am wondering if you are an insider? What you are saying is something I know is happening at hospitals right now. I have some connections to hospital executives and others in high places and I can confirm they are "watching" and "documenting" people in the OR. You have some managers that are doing field rides and making the situation even worse. Just google operating room SSI's and personnel turnover. There are mountains of clinical evidence that has been known for years speaking to the increased risk to the patient when more people are in the room.

Someone mentioned reporting managers that accompany reps to the credo hotline. That probably would at least protect the rep in case some litigation ever did arise. If I did that it would be to protect myself and not to really tattle tale on anyone else. Crazy that we live in these times but again I know for sure what my hospitals are doing now and you are being tracked from the second you sign in. You can choose to believe this or not but dont be surprised when this change becomes an industry standard very very soon. You will remember this thread.
 


Don’t ever report anyone to the credo hotline, it’s a direct whistleblowing tactic. You will immediately be served a gag order.

anonymous said:
I am wondering if you are an insider? What you are saying is something I know is happening at hospitals right now. I have some connections to hospital executives and others in high places and I can confirm they are "watching" and "documenting" people in the OR. You have some managers that are doing field rides and making the situation even worse. Just google operating room SSI's and personnel turnover. There are mountains of clinical evidence that has been known for years speaking to the increased risk to the patient when more people are in the room.

Someone mentioned reporting managers that accompany reps to the credo hotline. That probably would at least protect the rep in case some litigation ever did arise. If I did that it would be to protect myself and not to really tattle tale on anyone else. Crazy that we live in these times but again I know for sure what my hospitals are doing now and you are being tracked from the second you sign in. You can choose to believe this or not but dont be surprised when this change becomes an industry standard very very soon. You will remember this thread.
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anonymous said:
I will weigh in on this because it is something I know hospitals are taking much more seriously. The pandemic obviously heightened awareness and this push for limited traffic in and out of the theater. In my area, every single one of my hospitals will stop any rep that is accompanied by another person and question you. Common sense would tell you that most reps and companies understand the environment and would not attempt to do this anyway but you would be surprised.

I did see a rep in December get turned away with someone that I presume was her manager. I have good relationships at this account so it was a discussion we had after it happened. They said they were going to report the rep and the "manager"

SSI's occur in apprx 3 percent of all cases. 100's of infections occure daily and those are facts that can be verified. Also, there is plenty of data easily found online that correlates the amount of people in a room to increased risk.

Jnj will be making this a policy where only the primary rep aligned to the account is allowed in a Operating Room.
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Here we are again. Cases spiking. Has ETHICON changed policies after a year and a half of dealing with Covid? Vaccinated or not, you can still spread this virus.
Why would ETHICON not have a policy in place that limits 1 employee in a hospital at a time?!

Unless it’s a documented system conversion needing. 2 employees together, but these are outlier situations.

How would the public react to our behaviors. What purpose would it serve to increase risk to patients and staff by having my counterpart or rsm iIn the Same hospital as me at the same time?

If we are being honest, the answer to that question is too embarrassing to even write.
 


I left a year ago. I am at a mid size company now in medical devices. The culture here is so different. Access is still ok but my company draws a hard line in preventing trainees, managers, etc from visiting accounts until the pandemic is under control.
 


anonymous said:
Here we are again. Cases spiking. Has ETHICON changed policies after a year and a half of dealing with Covid? Vaccinated or not, you can still spread this virus.
Why would ETHICON not have a policy in place that limits 1 employee in a hospital at a time?!

Unless it’s a documented system conversion needing. 2 employees together, but these are outlier situations.

How would the public react to our behaviors. What purpose would it serve to increase risk to patients and staff by having my counterpart or rsm iIn the Same hospital as me at the same time?

If we are being honest, the answer to that question is too embarrassing to even write.
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The answer to your question is because ETHICON is putting money ahead of health. New Cases are over 100k a day in the US. Death tolls is rising too. Also hearing that you guys are having in person meetings with the entire area! Sounds like a super spreader event to me. Your hospitals will be thrilled to hear you did this and will be back in their hospitals the next day. Oh, and bring your manager or trainee with you too while your at it.
Companies that are behaving this way I am convinced will be sued, lose business, or something
 


anonymous said:
The answer to your question is because ETHICON is putting money ahead of health. New Cases are over 100k a day in the US. Death tolls is rising too. Also hearing that you guys are having in person meetings with the entire area! Sounds like a super spreader event to me. Your hospitals will be thrilled to hear you did this and will be back in their hospitals the next day. Oh, and bring your manager or trainee with you too while your at it.
Companies that are behaving this way I am convinced will be sued, lose business, or something
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Figure out another way to work. Sell via account management, go in the OR when actually needed instead of bs scrub sync assaults over meaningless products… sell on the ability expand product portfolios to encompass more Ethicon products and cut other companies out to limit more reps from entering the OR. It’s not hard folks!
 


anonymous said:
I left a year ago. I am at a mid size company now in medical devices. The culture here is so different. Access is still ok but my company draws a hard line in preventing trainees, managers, etc from visiting accounts until the pandemic is under control.
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Well, not at Ethicon. They are not saying a word about anything!! It is like it doesn't even exist. Daily Cases are almost 3 times higher than they have ever been. More spreading means easier mutations. It's business as usual and so many are catching it.
 


anonymous said:
Well, not at Ethicon. They are not saying a word about anything!! It is like it doesn't even exist. Daily Cases are almost 3 times higher than they have ever been. More spreading means easier mutations. It's business as usual and so many are catching it.
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Quit your whining and get to work. We’re not going to shut it all down again for what now amounts to a bad cold. Time to put on your big boy pants.
 


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Your manager is a rookie. Take a look at the new COVID cases. Worst it’s ever been. Report him or her to their boss or the credo hotline. Seriously, this is the kind of stuff That gets us all restricted.
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Agree. Your manager is a rookie, douche, doesn’t trust what you are doing, or is insecure about the value he/she provides as a manager and needs to watch you “sell” to provide worthless feedback.
 


anonymous said:
Figure out another way to work. Sell via account management, go in the OR when actually needed instead of bs scrub sync assaults over meaningless products… sell on the ability expand product portfolios to encompass more Ethicon products and cut other companies out to limit more reps from entering the OR. It’s not hard you monkeys!
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This 100%.

So much more to the job, there’s no need to loiter in the OR with a manager for some delayed bariatric surgery.

We’re not dealing gloves and gowns- yet. Effective selling takes place outside the hospital long before cut time. Upsell for sure, but you shouldn’t be surprising a doc with a powered device he’s never had hands on.

Take your boss upstream to materials management and whip those dysfunctional dolts into compliance to lock out your competition at the gate. Those are the meetings my management gets stiff over, not useless introductions to bitchy charge nurses.
 


anonymous said:
This 100%.

So much more to the job, there’s no need to loiter in the OR with a manager for some delayed bariatric surgery.

We’re not dealing gloves and gowns- yet. Effective selling takes place outside the hospital long before cut time. Upsell for sure, but you shouldn’t be surprising a doc with a powered device he’s never had hands on.

Take your boss upstream to materials management and whip those dysfunctional dolts into compliance to lock out your competition at the gate. Those are the meetings my management gets stiff over, not useless introductions to bitchy charge nurses.
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The only way your competition is getting locked out is if they are not contracted and you are.
 


anonymous said:
The only way your competition is getting locked out is if they are not contracted and you are.
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Lol must be a salty Baxter rep ticked because they stopped answering their customers calls and I didn’t …. I do however feel for any mentally competent new AE, it’s hard to make an impact if you can’t get a foot in the door.
 


anonymous said:
Maybe they don't care about the welfare of patients after all? Only 1 person should ever be in an OR at the same time, period. There is no good reason to risk the lives of patients no matter how small you "perceive" that risk is. Fact is a manger or trainee in the same OR as the rep raises serious and potentially deadly risk factors.

Any manager that is currently walking into a hospital should be reported to the credo hotline. Patients must be fully protected
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Is the policy to still allow managers and trainees to attend cases at Will?
 





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