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A "career" where you are forced to blatantly lie on a daily basis to
satisfy metrics that are completely detached from reality...
And then the "managers" use those lies against the people they want
to force out of the company.
A truly sick and twisted (and soul killing) profession.
Run!
satisfy metrics that are completely detached from reality...
And then the "managers" use those lies against the people they want
to force out of the company.
A truly sick and twisted (and soul killing) profession.
Run!
anonymous
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anonymous
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A "career" where you are forced to blatantly lie on a daily basis to
satisfy metrics that are completely detached from reality...
And then the "managers" use those lies against the people they want
to force out of the company.
A truly sick and twisted (and soul killing) profession.
Run!
Yes, yes, and yes.
And they promote idiots.
anonymous
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anonymous
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A "career" where you are forced to blatantly lie on a daily basis to
satisfy metrics that are completely detached from reality...
And then the "managers" use those lies against the people they want
to force out of the company.
A truly sick and twisted (and soul killing) profession.
Run!
I had worked in Pharma for several years when we went thru some territory changes which included being paired with a new territory partner and a new (to me) but experienced manager.
Before these changes I had to have some necessary surgery which was already scheduled. I went thru with the surgery which took place a couple months after the territory changes had occurred.
After I returned from surgery, my new teammate told me that our new DM had told him to only work the offices in the part of the territory with the highest patient populations with the best payer mix for our products (which also happened to be nearer his home as well) while I was on medical leave. As a result none of the offices in the part of our territory where I happen to live were called on when I was on medical leave. I also just happened to learn by chance from my DM that he had separated the accounts by zip code in the territory between my partner and myself. And this wasn't revealed until I was back in territory for almost 2 months! As a result, I could only receive recognition for scripts generated from accounts in the zip codes that my DM assigned to me. These zip codes had a high number of patient populations who were either Medicaid or Medicare. At the time our products needed working patients with Commercial plan coverage. My zip codes were primarily rural; with the few existing cities having gone thru significant loss of factories and therefore had unemployment issues on top of no more medical coverage.
I remember trying to discuss this with a few of my fellow district colleagues. It seemed so unfair to me. No one else had their territories divided between themselves and their counter part like mine. I tried to discuss this with my DM, who said it was within the right of the company to do this. DM said I was wrong to see my zip codes as having less potential than my territory teammate. My field report scores were terrible. There seem nothing I could do right. How do you go from being a consistently top 30% performer to struggling?
I did not trust going to HR. I had a good sales track record and was one to always keep my resume up to date for the most part. Up until this experience I was very happy with the company and the people who I worked with. I saw the writing on the wall and chose to pursue another opportunity. It didn't take me long to find the one that I have now. Am quite happy and making more money.
A few close friends/reps felt that I was being discriminated against. That I should have fought the situation. I did feel discriminated against. Clearly this DM didn't like me. But this DM didn't even know me; nor make any attempt to get to know me. After over 10 years with the company, I never had experienced anything like this before. And while I have landed just fine, I've always wondered whether a DM is really allowed by a company to divide a territory by zip codes between teammates who carry the same products but only recognize credit for each by the zip code that DM assigns them?
anonymous
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anonymous
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I had worked in Pharma for several years when we went thru some territory changes which included being paired with a new territory partner and a new (to me) but experienced manager.
Before these changes I had to have some necessary surgery which was already scheduled. I went thru with the surgery which took place a couple months after the territory changes had occurred.
After I returned from surgery, my new teammate told me that our new DM had told him to only work the offices in the part of the territory with the highest patient populations with the best payer mix for our products (which also happened to be nearer his home as well) while I was on medical leave. As a result none of the offices in the part of our territory where I happen to live were called on when I was on medical leave. I also just happened to learn by chance from my DM that he had separated the accounts by zip code in the territory between my partner and myself. And this wasn't revealed until I was back in territory for almost 2 months! As a result, I could only receive recognition for scripts generated from accounts in the zip codes that my DM assigned to me. These zip codes had a high number of patient populations who were either Medicaid or Medicare. At the time our products needed working patients with Commercial plan coverage. My zip codes were primarily rural; with the few existing cities having gone thru significant loss of factories and therefore had unemployment issues on top of no more medical coverage.
I remember trying to discuss this with a few of my fellow district colleagues. It seemed so unfair to me. No one else had their territories divided between themselves and their counter part like mine. I tried to discuss this with my DM, who said it was within the right of the company to do this. DM said I was wrong to see my zip codes as having less potential than my territory teammate. My field report scores were terrible. There seem nothing I could do right. How do you go from being a consistently top 30% performer to struggling?
I did not trust going to HR. I had a good sales track record and was one to always keep my resume up to date for the most part. Up until this experience I was very happy with the company and the people who I worked with. I saw the writing on the wall and chose to pursue another opportunity. It didn't take me long to find the one that I have now. Am quite happy and making more money.
A few close friends/reps felt that I was being discriminated against. That I should have fought the situation. I did feel discriminated against. Clearly this DM didn't like me. But this DM didn't even know me; nor make any attempt to get to know me. After over 10 years with the company, I never had experienced anything like this before. And while I have landed just fine, I've always wondered whether a DM is really allowed by a company to divide a territory by zip codes between teammates who carry the same products but only recognize credit for each by the zip code that DM assigns them?
yes, another horror story.
these companies cheat reps out of Billions every year in bonus.
Stay away from this industry people. Listen up. We know what we are talking about.
anonymous
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Yep!yes, another horror story.
these companies cheat reps out of Billions every year in bonus.
Stay away from this industry people. Listen up. We know what we are talking about.
anonymous
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anonymous
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After voicing my complaints about the job, a fellow rep once told me, "Hey, if they want to pay me Eighty-five thousand a year to bring lunches, I'll do it." That comment came from an industry veteran a few years ago who had over 15 years of experience and continues to work as rep. So, that comment and mindset is not from a disillusioned newbie or a burnt-out rep with a few years in, it's from someone who has been a rep for many years. I believe it's representative of a common attitude and view of the job. People have their reasons for doing what they do. I just couldn't do it anymore. I'd been through too much and had had enough. Older now, and in a different field, the industry no longer wants me, and I no longer want it.The price to pay is too high.
Don't do it.
anonymous
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anonymous
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After voicing my complaints about the job, a fellow rep once told me, "Hey, if they want to pay me Eighty-five thousand a year to bring lunches, I'll do it." That comment came from an industry veteran a few years ago who had over 15 years of experience and continues to work as rep. So, that comment and mindset is not from a disillusioned newbie or a burnt-out rep with a few years in, it's from someone who has been a rep for many years. I believe it's representative of a common attitude and view of the job. People have their reasons for doing what they do. I just couldn't do it anymore. I'd been through too much and had had enough. Older now, and in a different field, the industry no longer wants me, and I no longer want it.
Ditto
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anonymous
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After voicing my complaints about the job, a fellow rep once told me, "Hey, if they want to pay me Eighty-five thousand a year to bring lunches, I'll do it." That comment came from an industry veteran a few years ago who had over 15 years of experience and continues to work as rep. So, that comment and mindset is not from a disillusioned newbie or a burnt-out rep with a few years in, it's from someone who has been a rep for many years. I believe it's representative of a common attitude and view of the job. People have their reasons for doing what they do. I just couldn't do it anymore. I'd been through too much and had had enough. Older now, and in a different field, the industry no longer wants me, and I no longer want it.
I often encountered this same attitude during my 23 years as a rep...(About 5 "good" and 18 horrific.) Some people were so lacking in ethics and self awareness, that it didn't bother them one bit they were pushing poisons, and using their college degrees to be Uber Eats schlubs in a suit.
The job came close to destroying me physically and mentally those last few years...It truly was a slow, soul killing death. Got pushed out at 50 and it probably saved me...
Horrible and evil industry...
anonymous
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I often encountered this same attitude during my 23 years as a rep...(About 5 "good" and 18 horrific.) Some people were so lacking in ethics and self awareness, that it didn't bother them one bit they were pushing poisons, and using their college degrees to be Uber Eats schlubs in a suit.
The job came close to destroying me physically and mentally those last few years...It truly was a slow, soul killing death. Got pushed out at 50 and it probably saved me...
Horrible and evil industry...
Thanks for sharing your horror story. Sorry to hear about it.
Here is the thing that these pharmaceutical reps seem to forget (I did this job for about 12 years before calling it quits, and shame on me for staying so long):
"they devolve as human beings".
it comes from working in an industry that produces terrible products and working alongside with mostly sociopaths in management (most of the field reps are actually decent people from my experience).
Younger people should listen to us and find an escape route before they lose their souls.
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"If you put in a good amount of day's work on a regular basis and stay away from the negative people and just keep charging, chances are you will last longer than the average rep in this industry. Trust me my friend, I am on my 25th year, a couple of Presidents' and Vice Presidents' awards on my mantle and I have survived the most brutal cuts this industry has thrown at me! Mergers and downsizing happens, but it is the usual suspects that get canned: those with expense report "concerns", sample dilemma and worse you happen to be on your boss' shit list because you are "insubordinate". This is by far the easiest and the most rewarding sales job that I know!"
The above is a recent post from the Syneos board - Idorsia contract. I first thought that the post was fake, but then I realized the poster was probably being honest. If it is an honest post, then I imagine it's from an old industry vet who somehow managed to hang on through the endless shit show of Pharma and must be totally brainwashed into believing, and living, the lies. The poster states that the job is "the most rewarding sales job" they know. Wow! Either completely brain-washed or smoking some really good shit. At least, it's an entertaining post. Lol
The above is a recent post from the Syneos board - Idorsia contract. I first thought that the post was fake, but then I realized the poster was probably being honest. If it is an honest post, then I imagine it's from an old industry vet who somehow managed to hang on through the endless shit show of Pharma and must be totally brainwashed into believing, and living, the lies. The poster states that the job is "the most rewarding sales job" they know. Wow! Either completely brain-washed or smoking some really good shit. At least, it's an entertaining post. Lol
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another lie from that Syneos post was that the "usual suspects are let go"...that is total BS.
there is no merit in this industry. its a shit show, all the way. smart people, truly intelligent people, are not in this industry.
no way.
there is no merit in this industry. its a shit show, all the way. smart people, truly intelligent people, are not in this industry.
no way.
anonymous
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Having left the industry as a field rep a few years ago, and now working as a healthcare professional at a medical facility, it was interesting being on the receiving end of a rep's presentation and catered lunch. I watched the middle-aged female with her worn-out facial expression (clearly an industry veteran) go through her routine. My colleagues and coworkers were, for most part, checked-out. They were mostly concerned with the food, of course. I asked the rep a few questions about side effect profile and her drug vs competitors. It was a surreal experience, as now an outside observer, having performed the rep's role for over a decade and having closed the door on that "career" years ago. No desire to return to the industry.
anonymous
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anonymous
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Having left the industry as a field rep a few years ago, and now working as a healthcare professional at a medical facility, it was interesting being on the receiving end of a rep's presentation and catered lunch. I watched the middle-aged female with her worn-out facial expression (clearly an industry veteran) go through her routine. My colleagues and coworkers were, for most part, checked-out. They were mostly concerned with the food, of course. I asked the rep a few questions about side effect profile and her drug vs competitors. It was a surreal experience, as now an outside observer, having performed the rep's role for over a decade and having closed the door on that "career" years ago. No desire to return to the industry.
Now that I am in my late 40s and established a bit (I can retire, if I want), you could not pay me anything to return to the industry.
Even if I was offered 1B to be CEO or something or even a manager at 1M a year, I would say no.
That is how toxic it all is.
You lose a part of your humanity if you sell in this industry.
I am convinced of that.
anonymous
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anonymous
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"Freak out
And give in
Doesn't matter what you believe in
Stay cool
And be somebody's fool this year
'Cause they know
Who is righteous, what is bold
So I'm told
Who wants honey?
As long as there's some money
Who wants that honey?"
And give in
Doesn't matter what you believe in
Stay cool
And be somebody's fool this year
'Cause they know
Who is righteous, what is bold
So I'm told
Who wants honey?
As long as there's some money
Who wants that honey?"