Bye Bye Copaxone!!!

[Anonymous]

Now that a superior, ORAL drug has now been approved we can't wait to see you all squirm! Copaxone is the #1 agent that analysts believe will be eroded by Gilenya. Who wants to take daily shots of placebo when one can take a pill daily and actually improve????

I already have my top MS centers commited to start Gilenya as soon as the wholesalers are stocked and I am dying to see how you scum bags try and buy the business back. Cause let's face it, you are BUYING the business!

Bye bye, its been fun!! maybe you can go play "bully" with the rest of the bullshit CRAB companies!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Now that a superior, ORAL drug has now been approved we can't wait to see you all squirm! Copaxone is the #1 agent that analysts believe will be eroded by Gilenya. Who wants to take daily shots of placebo when one can take a pill daily and actually improve????

I already have my top MS centers commited to start Gilenya as soon as the wholesalers are stocked and I am dying to see how you scum bags try and buy the business back. Cause let's face it, you are BUYING the business!

Bye bye, its been fun!! maybe you can go play "bully" with the rest of the bullshit CRAB companies!!!

Obviously by your bitter tone, you have been dominated by TEVA for quite some time. Why are you trying to sell us on your drug if its so great and you have all of these "commitments"? Sounds like your on easy street so why dont you go back to your own thread. By the way, you'll see soon enough how we're going to keep the business and its obvious that your pretty worried about it.

 

[Anonymous]

Let's see what the analysts say when PML appears in a year. Or cancer. Or liver toxicity. Or macular edema. Or cardiac issues. Or dertamogical disease. Shall I go on? Shove you "oral" up your ass. If I were you I'd be crapping my pants looking over my shoulder for those massive amounts of side effects. No one is worried, because the faster people go on the faster this crap will have so many issues the doctors heads will spin and the patients will be spooked. So enjoy your 6 months of kicking our asses but you'll be on the unemployment line in 2 years you jerkoff.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm a patient on Copaxone and I love it. I have been on other MS therapies and would not switch to any oral so soon. MS therapies do not have a great track record when it comes to side effects. I'll wait a while before switching. Do you guys ever think about patients when you post stuff on these boards? I work in pharma that's how I know about cafepharma. I go on from time to time to see what the crazy people in the field are saying about my company. I would be so embarrassed if any patients went on our boards. Looks like I'm not the only one who should be...

 

[Patient1]

I'm a patient on Copaxone and I love it. I have been on other MS therapies and would not switch to any oral so soon. MS therapies do not have a great track record when it comes to side effects. I'll wait a while before switching. Do you guys ever think about patients when you post stuff on these boards? I work in pharma that's how I know about cafepharma. I go on from time to time to see what the crazy people in the field are saying about my company. I would be so embarrassed if any patients went on our boards. Looks like I'm not the only one who should be...

I've been on it for a decade and have great success. I'm not switching to oral meds any time soon.

I agree, people that post on this site (not just TEVA) should be ashamed and embarassed. There are MS patients out there trying to make the best choices for themselves possible and for people to call Copaxone a placebo or other drugs junk is really wrong. I have access to a rather large network of MS clinics, and one of these days I'm going to be disgusted enough to send some of the posts to these clinics so that the medical professionals that deal with patients can see the unprofessional and crass behavior exhibited by some Reps.

 

[Anonymous]

I am another MS patient who looks on here from time to time and usually leaves disgusted. If you look at the actual, not relative statistics of any of the current MS treatments, let's just say nobody in pharma should be slapping high fives, they all suck. All I will say is that I recently was treated for CCSVI and feel better than I have in years. If CCSVI turns out to be a smoking gun in regards to MS, the only medicine that will be needed after treatment is a daily aspirin which runs about $1 month with no side effects.

 

[Anonymous]

Do you think Reps go on patient web sites to learn about selling drugs? Do you think doctors come on Cafe Pharma to learn about drug choices? I know you said you were in the industry so you should know better than to come on here for patient information or to take anything written here seriously.

My point is this:
If you are in fact a patient you should NOT be on these boards. This is a web site for Reps to vent, argue, debate, and have some fun relieving stress messing with each other. This is NOT A PATIENT EDUCATION WEB SITE so I would suggest you leave and not return because there is nothing here for you. This is not to be mean, but you should know better and show more intelligence than taking anything said here to heart.

 

[Patient1]

Do you think Reps go on patient web sites to learn about selling drugs? Do you think doctors come on Cafe Pharma to learn about drug choices? I know you said you were in the industry so you should know better than to come on here for patient information or to take anything written here seriously.

My point is this:
If you are in fact a patient you should NOT be on these boards. This is a web site for Reps to vent, argue, debate, and have some fun relieving stress messing with each other. This is NOT A PATIENT EDUCATION WEB SITE so I would suggest you leave and not return because there is nothing here for you. This is not to be mean, but you should know better and show more intelligence than taking anything said here to heart.

First, this is a public domain and therefore anyone should be welcome

Second, I don't come here to learn about MS/drug choices. I am actually a medical professional that happens to have MS. I do not need this site for keeping informed

Third, I do take exception when someone tells me I'm brainwashed and delusional.

Fourth, I know enough to realize very little of intelligence is said.

Fifth and final, mind your own business. If there was a problem with anyone posting, I'm sure the moderator of the forum would not allow patients to post.

 

[Anonymous]

First, this is a public domain and therefore anyone should be welcome

Second, I don't come here to learn about MS/drug choices. I am actually a medical professional that happens to have MS. I do not need this site for keeping informed

Third, I do take exception when someone tells me I'm brainwashed and delusional.

Fourth, I know enough to realize very little of intelligence is said.

Fifth and final, mind your own business. If there was a problem with anyone posting, I'm sure the moderator of the forum would not allow patients to post.

First -public domain anyone "welcome" - are whites "welcome" on a black panther web site? Jews "welcome: on an aljezeera webite? - USE YOUR BRAIN

Second - Then why do you come here? USE YOUR BRAIN

Third - not worth wasting letters typing

Fourth - Congrats on using your brain on this point

Fifth - I thought you said this is public domain and anyone should be welcome here? HYPOCRITE

AGAIN THIS IS A WEB SITE FOR REPS TO CRY WHINE VENT AND MESS WITH EACH OTHER. IT IS NOT FOR PATIENTS EVEN THOSE THAT ARE "MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS"

USE YOU BRAIN AND GO ELSEWHERE!

 

[Anonymous]

First -public domain anyone "welcome" - are whites "welcome" on a black panther web site? Jews "welcome: on an aljezeera webite? - USE YOUR BRAIN

Second - Then why do you come here? USE YOUR BRAIN

Third - not worth wasting letters typing

Fourth - Congrats on using your brain on this point

Fifth - I thought you said this is public domain and anyone should be welcome here? HYPOCRITE

AGAIN THIS IS A WEB SITE FOR REPS TO CRY WHINE VENT AND MESS WITH EACH OTHER. IT IS NOT FOR PATIENTS EVEN THOSE THAT ARE "MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS"

USE YOU BRAIN AND GO ELSEWHERE!

this could not be said any better. "patient1" posts on all the ms company sites. here's a suggestion for patient1: GTFO!

 

[Patient1]

First -public domain anyone "welcome" - are whites "welcome" on a black panther web site? Jews "welcome: on an aljezeera webite? - USE YOUR BRAIN

Second - Then why do you come here? USE YOUR BRAIN

Third - not worth wasting letters typing

Fourth - Congrats on using your brain on this point

Fifth - I thought you said this is public domain and anyone should be welcome here? HYPOCRITE

AGAIN THIS IS A WEB SITE FOR REPS TO CRY WHINE VENT AND MESS WITH EACH OTHER. IT IS NOT FOR PATIENTS EVEN THOSE THAT ARE "MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS"

USE YOU BRAIN AND GO ELSEWHERE!

1. Public domain is just that - public. If I chose to go on a Black Panther site, I would. Welcome or not! Are you saying Cafepharma is filled with radical prejudice against patients? Or are you personally prejudiced against patients?

2. I come here for amusement. If there is something I want to post, I post - again public domain

3. When I said I used copaxone for a decade and was stable I was told I was delusional and brainwashed. I suspect if brainwashed and delusional = stable I suppose I shouldn't take exception. I just find someone's need to trash a patient's success in their struggle with MS utterly distasteful.

4. I wish you would use your brain and understand that I'm here as a stakeholder (and a fairly sizeable shareholder in some instances - which is another reason why I find myself astounded by some of the attitudes)

5. You missed my point - If a moderator didn't want me to post they can pull me from the site - it's THEIR call NOT YOURS (so please do not tell me I cannot post)

6. It is very apparent there is a lot of crying and whining among reps - can't say that it portrays the profession(?) in a positive light.

You can respond to this, or not. I have no desire to go back and forth. I will post when I feel there is something I'd like to say. In the meantime, I don't plan on wasting any further time on this particular topic.

Have a lovely weekend.

 

[Anonymous]

You should know better and show more intelligence when representing your company, and your industry and yourself (anonymously of course - coward) in a public domain. I have a right as a consumer to know about the company that I am buying a product from. I am aware of this site because I AM IN INDUSTRY and I chose to see what kind of people work for TEVA because I am a CUSTOMER who buys your company's PRODUCT. Which you DIRECTLY benefit from financially. YOUR JOB EXISTS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE ME. THESE BOARDS EXIST BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE ME. So next time your swipe that debit card hear me saying this: "YOUR WELCOME, Asshole."

 

[Anonymous]

The black panthers are selling a product that I buy. I have NO vested interest in a black panthers site. I do have a vested interest in a product that I inject into my body daily.

 

[Anonymous]

First -public domain anyone "welcome" - are whites "welcome" on a black panther web site? Jews "welcome: on an aljezeera webite? - USE YOUR BRAIN

Second - Then why do you come here? USE YOUR BRAIN

Third - not worth wasting letters typing

Fourth - Congrats on using your brain on this point

Fifth - I thought you said this is public domain and anyone should be welcome here? HYPOCRITE

AGAIN THIS IS A WEB SITE FOR REPS TO CRY WHINE VENT AND MESS WITH EACH OTHER. IT IS NOT FOR PATIENTS EVEN THOSE THAT ARE "MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS"

USE YOU BRAIN AND GO ELSEWHERE!

It's really disturbing that you are comparing patients coming on this site with whites going n a black panthers site. Is that really how you see patients relationship with industry? Seriously? You're a nut dude; like, certifiable. What kind of freak would come up with that comparison?

 

[Anonymous]

Do you think Reps go on patient web sites to learn about selling drugs? Do you think doctors come on Cafe Pharma to learn about drug choices? I know you said you were in the industry so you should know better than to come on here for patient information or to take anything written here seriously.

My point is this:
If you are in fact a patient you should NOT be on these boards. This is a web site for Reps to vent, argue, debate, and have some fun relieving stress messing with each other. This is NOT A PATIENT EDUCATION WEB SITE so I would suggest you leave and not return because there is nothing here for you. This is not to be mean, but you should know better and show more intelligence than taking anything said here to heart.

If reps were smart they would utilize patient sites to learn how to sell drugs. We're your customers douchebag. Why wouldn't you want to know what we're saying about your products? I can't think of a better way to learn how to address patient concerns and speak to your physicians. Pharma reps have to be the stupidest people on earth if they're not doing this - it's free market research at your finger tips. You really are an idiot. Thank you so much for writing this because I was afraid that you might have some intelligence, but after reading this I'm completely confident you're a moron so what you have to say bares no consequence. I can't wait until the Pharma rep positions are completely eliminated. Companies are starting to use physicians in the field and online resources to replace you "sample delivery people". Hope you're good a flipping burgers...

 

[Patient1]

For a website that is not intended to be a patient education site, I beg to differ. It's been very educational! Thanks.

 

[Anonymous]

Let's see what the analysts say when PML appears in a year. Or cancer. Or liver toxicity. Or macular edema. Or cardiac issues. Or dertamogical disease. Shall I go on? Shove you "oral" up your ass. If I were you I'd be crapping my pants looking over my shoulder for those massive amounts of side effects. No one is worried, because the faster people go on the faster this crap will have so many issues the doctors heads will spin and the patients will be spooked. So enjoy your 6 months of kicking our asses but you'll be on the unemployment line in 2 years you jerkoff.

Whatever, haters!!!! If its SO riddled with AEs, why did FDA approve it with such a clean PI?? And all of those AEs are manageable. Cardiac issues aren't what all of you scum bag CRAB companies tried to terrorize the MDs with. And PML??? That is a T-cell inhibitor issue stupid, not an S1P1 problem and YOU all know it!

And everyone knows you all have reps pretend to be patients and post how awesome Cop is...please bitch!!!! Placebo in a syringe that you all pay MDs to write.

Again BYE BYE!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Whatever, haters!!!! If its SO riddled with AEs, why did FDA approve it with such a clean PI?? And all of those AEs are manageable. Cardiac issues aren't what all of you scum bag CRAB companies tried to terrorize the MDs with. And PML??? That is a T-cell inhibitor issue stupid, not an S1P1 problem and YOU all know it!

And everyone knows you all have reps pretend to be patients and post how awesome Cop is...please bitch!!!! Placebo in a syringe that you all pay MDs to write.

Again BYE BYE!!!

No, really, I'm a patient. I'm icing my leg as I type for my shot. I would not switch to any oral any time soon - there's no way. I'm sure you might get the new starts out of ignorance, but once the side effects kick in, your patients will switch to copaxone. I tried Avonex for a year couldn't stand it. I was sick as heck two days a week - so not worth it. MS is not as bad as Avonex side effects. I wouldn't risk feeling like that again. I wish I didn't have to be on any therapy and would choose natural methods over pharmaceuticals any day.

 

[Anonymous]

Whatever, haters!!!! If its SO riddled with AEs, why did FDA approve it with such a clean PI?? And all of those AEs are manageable. Cardiac issues aren't what all of you scum bag CRAB companies tried to terrorize the MDs with. And PML??? That is a T-cell inhibitor issue stupid, not an S1P1 problem and YOU all know it!

And everyone knows you all have reps pretend to be patients and post how awesome Cop is...please bitch!!!! Placebo in a syringe that you all pay MDs to write.

Again BYE BYE!!!

And, I'll give you guys another hint - Neuros do not recommend one therapy over another. I've seen several. They leave it entirely up to the patient. I was told to go home, look them up online and come back and say what I wanted. I initially chose avonex because I loved the idea of once a week; but then, as I said, the side effects were too much. I recently began seeing a very well known and respected specialist who RAVED about copaxone. You may call it "placebo" but the fact that it is not a chemical being introduced to your body is very attractive to patients and physicians. I would LOVE if an oral came to market that I could trust. But, it's just not the case. My first MS symptom was optic neuritis, if you think that I would ever take a product that could present the same symptoms - you're insane. I might as well go stick a fork in my eye. Not going to happen. They just don't know enough about MS to come up with an effective therapy. Believe me, I wish that wasn't the case - but it is. How can you treat a disease that you have no idea what causes it and it's so different from person to person? There's someone out there right now that can't walk who is under the same diagnosis as me - I ran 5 miles today - really? I call BS...

 

[Anonymous]

Stick to your "t cell inhibitor" causes PML. You dumb shit. You have no idea what you are talking about. Every pml expert in the world is convinced your oral will eventually cause pml. But hey, you the 3 week trained ms expert at Novartis sure knows more than a 25 year experienced pml expert.

I swear you guys already have a shit reputation because of extavia. The MD's think Novartis is a complete joke in this space, and quite frankly I'm so not impressed with who Novartis hired for my territory.

T cell inhibitor issue. Is that what they told you to say at your little Orlando bash? I love competing against morons.