Just heard this. If you guys can't even give your stuff away for free now how do you ever expect it to used…? Ha!!!!!
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Of course management will allow the dirty chosen few to sample. They will find a way to get samples in the hands of their favorites. The dirty few who get away with everything.
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It's my understanding that it's not just Biomet, but others as well will follow suit.
By the way, you can sample. There's not dirty ways of doing it. Obviously whomever started this thread doesn't know the facts. But it does bring up what the future may hold.
Bottom line, Gov't is beginning to exert their influence into the device industry, and dental implants will be a part of that. Which also means, it won't be just Biomet, but other major players as well. Think about it "NOT" from a regulatory view, but from a strategic view, if a major player has ceased to sample, why wouldn't others follow suit?
Take a look at the airline industry, there once was a time when check baggage fees were reasonable or free to a certain extent. Then, when one started to charge baggage fees, the others didn't advertise to great length "hey, fly with us, baggage fees are waived." Instead, they all started to charge baggage fees. When wifi was made available, no one said, "hey, fly with us and get free wifi." NO, they all charge for wifi.
The same will happen here. One company is saying, "no more sampling," trust me, other's will follow suit.
I might be crazy here, but this brings me to a prediction:
"If average monetary value of a product is no longer dilluted by free items, then its not out of the realm of possibilities that the prices of same product may drop?" That would mean that the implants and restorative parts will be cheaper to compete vs the value players.
Question, in the ortho field, is there an example of a third party device used ancillary to a hip, joint replacement of Biomet, Zimmer products ala similar to a 3rd party aftermarket abutment used on a Dental implant? If not... Here's my next prediction...
Going forward, all implant restoration parts must be with the same manufacturer.
I can see this happening for sure, being that a dental implant is technically considered a medical device, that the restoration parts must be OEM.
Anyway, yes, you can sample, there's no dirty tricks. It's just the rules has changed as to how you can sample. So learn the facts, but it does bring up an interesting point of conversation.
By the way, you can sample. There's not dirty ways of doing it. Obviously whomever started this thread doesn't know the facts. But it does bring up what the future may hold.
Bottom line, Gov't is beginning to exert their influence into the device industry, and dental implants will be a part of that. Which also means, it won't be just Biomet, but other major players as well. Think about it "NOT" from a regulatory view, but from a strategic view, if a major player has ceased to sample, why wouldn't others follow suit?
Take a look at the airline industry, there once was a time when check baggage fees were reasonable or free to a certain extent. Then, when one started to charge baggage fees, the others didn't advertise to great length "hey, fly with us, baggage fees are waived." Instead, they all started to charge baggage fees. When wifi was made available, no one said, "hey, fly with us and get free wifi." NO, they all charge for wifi.
The same will happen here. One company is saying, "no more sampling," trust me, other's will follow suit.
I might be crazy here, but this brings me to a prediction:
"If average monetary value of a product is no longer dilluted by free items, then its not out of the realm of possibilities that the prices of same product may drop?" That would mean that the implants and restorative parts will be cheaper to compete vs the value players.
Question, in the ortho field, is there an example of a third party device used ancillary to a hip, joint replacement of Biomet, Zimmer products ala similar to a 3rd party aftermarket abutment used on a Dental implant? If not... Here's my next prediction...
Going forward, all implant restoration parts must be with the same manufacturer.
I can see this happening for sure, being that a dental implant is technically considered a medical device, that the restoration parts must be OEM.
Anyway, yes, you can sample, there's no dirty tricks. It's just the rules has changed as to how you can sample. So learn the facts, but it does bring up an interesting point of conversation.
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"The same will happen here. One company is saying, "no more sampling," trust me, other's will follow suit."
'Trust' an anonomous poster on the internet with their 'opinion'
You are so stupid the only other work you are qualified to do would be in government.
'Trust' an anonomous poster on the internet with their 'opinion'
You are so stupid the only other work you are qualified to do would be in government.
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Bottom line is that 3i will take a hit if they enact a "no sampling" policy. They routinely use samples as a way to close deals and keep customers happy when things fail. If they no longer have this as part of their tricks of the trade the they will take a hit, period.
And that other guy who ranted about the prices coming down is an idiot. If a company is charging $200 bucks for an abutment but used to give free goods with it bringing the cost down to let's say $150, you really think they will just lower their price to $150? You are basically admitting that your company's product is overvalued.meaning that people won't buy it unless they get a discount or free product as part of the deal. The point you are making is what everyone in the Industry has been saying all along...hahahaha
And that other guy who ranted about the prices coming down is an idiot. If a company is charging $200 bucks for an abutment but used to give free goods with it bringing the cost down to let's say $150, you really think they will just lower their price to $150? You are basically admitting that your company's product is overvalued.meaning that people won't buy it unless they get a discount or free product as part of the deal. The point you are making is what everyone in the Industry has been saying all along...hahahaha
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Bottom line is that 3i will take a hit if they enact a "no sampling" policy. They routinely use samples as a way to close deals and keep customers happy when things fail. If they no longer have this as part of their tricks of the trade the they will take a hit, period.
And that other guy who ranted about the prices coming down is an idiot. If a company is charging $200 bucks for an abutment but used to give free goods with it bringing the cost down to let's say $150, you really think they will just lower their price to $150? You are basically admitting that your company's product is overvalued.meaning that people won't buy it unless they get a discount or free product as part of the deal. The point you are making is what everyone in the Industry has been saying all along...hahahaha
You fail to recognize that if a company were to implement a 'no sampling' policy and re-evaluate their pricing, that at the end of any policy change, does it make them the more profitable.
You're assuming that if I charge $400, but rather I dont give one away, I'm actually going to cut my price to $200, is not the point.
Now, if I dropped it to $250-$275, then I'm closer to the clone market, yet with a premium brand name. The company would actually make more money, no cut's in cost would be needed, in fact with extra revenue, you can expand or compensate better (in a dream world). But by adjusting to market conditions, and that's what premium companies get to do, they can actually devalue the value players.
Then follows mergers, then there's less competition, then prices go back up, and on goes the cycle.
Mark my words...
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You fail to recognize that if a company were to implement a 'no sampling' policy and re-evaluate their pricing, that at the end of any policy change, does it make them the more profitable.
You're assuming that if I charge $400, but rather I dont give one away, I'm actually going to cut my price to $200, is not the point.
Now, if I dropped it to $250-$275, then I'm closer to the clone market, yet with a premium brand name. The company would actually make more money, no cut's in cost would be needed, in fact with extra revenue, you can expand or compensate better (in a dream world). But by adjusting to market conditions, and that's what premium companies get to do, they can actually devalue the value players.
Then follows mergers, then there's less competition, then prices go back up, and on goes the cycle.
Mark my words...
Thank you O'Prophet.
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You fail to recognize that if a company were to implement a 'no sampling' policy and re-evaluate their pricing, that at the end of any policy change, does it make them the more profitable.
You're assuming that if I charge $400, but rather I dont give one away, I'm actually going to cut my price to $200, is not the point.
Now, if I dropped it to $250-$275, then I'm closer to the clone market, yet with a premium brand name. The company would actually make more money, no cut's in cost would be needed, in fact with extra revenue, you can expand or compensate better (in a dream world). But by adjusting to market conditions, and that's what premium companies get to do, they can actually devalue the value players.
Then follows mergers, then there's less competition, then prices go back up, and on goes the cycle.
Mark my words...
Ok, Mr. or Ms. Anonymous...
Have the balls to attach your name to this ridiculous prediction.
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So once again you are telling me that 3i will have a price reduction? Dude come up for air, that will never happen, with any company. At best they will keep their prices fixed, at best. Discounts and free goods are not a business model, it is something that companies do to reach that point in which their customers will pay for the value they perceive the product to be.
And secondly. Not to burst your bubble, but nobody follows what 3i does in the industry. You follow the leaders, not the 3rd or 4th guy. If 3i decides to lower the value of their implants then they will only be marketing to the clone markets, which still won't help them cause they can't do sampling anymore like those other guys do.
And secondly. Not to burst your bubble, but nobody follows what 3i does in the industry. You follow the leaders, not the 3rd or 4th guy. If 3i decides to lower the value of their implants then they will only be marketing to the clone markets, which still won't help them cause they can't do sampling anymore like those other guys do.