Oh it’s coming. The home office staff is very nervous. A failed and expensive (for us) launch. Management will be increasing field rides and business reviews to make it look like they are valuable. It’s gonna be like Office Space in NJ. Will Neurology lose an ABD? In the West we can hope and in the East you better send prayers. Unless you want your ABD double checking every call
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The west ABD is a joke. Just parrots tired ideas, and craps out trackers They should cut the position altogether.
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WOW. SH is gone. He was always super positive and tons of energy. But I also thought he was a lot of smoke and mirrors and in over his head. I’m kinda sorry to see him go but he played favorites and my crew were never his favorites so no loss there. However seeing his #1 favorite MM now have to report to someone who used to be his equal in the Organizational Chart is delicious irony. I’ve been here a few years, never knew the guy before him, but I have not met anyone who likes the guy. MM might be the least liked person in the company yet if you wanted to get a promotion or even get hired you had to go through him. Too much power for a guy with no aptitude
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Will they lay off sales force?
with a new product set to launch next year I highly doubt they will lay off the sales force. They also just hired for open positions and usually if a company is about to lay a bunch of people off they will have a hiring freeze.
They might align some folks out but if it is a mass layoff they will need to announce it. You’ll see a hiring freeze as well as a bunch of cutting from the top down. At least, that’s what I have seen over the years in pharma.
The new product is going to be an absolute dog, so I’d start looking to get out anyway.
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with a new product set to launch next year I highly doubt they will lay off the sales force. They also just hired for open positions and usually if a company is about to lay a bunch of people off they will have a hiring freeze.
They might align some folks out but if it is a mass layoff they will need to announce it. You’ll see a hiring freeze as well as a bunch of cutting from the top down. At least, that’s what I have seen over the years in pharma.
The new product is going to be an absolute dog, so I’d start looking to get out anyway.
a dog that will hunt. If you’ve seen any of the poster presentations you’d know this is going to be a decent drug to sell. Certainly launched better than Rytary and Lyvispah. It’s not going to be a blockbuster but it will be pretty decent.
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a dog that will hunt. If you’ve seen any of the poster presentations you’d know this is going to be a decent drug to sell. Certainly launched better than Rytary and Lyvispah. It’s not going to be a blockbuster but it will be pretty decent.
The way you all launched BOTH products it would not be difficult to launch a dirty diaper better LOL How many Lyvispah writers do you have? Hell, the volume most have of Rytary is also pretty pathetic.
Have YOU seen the poster presentations? The results are lackluster.
IPX is only a bit better than Rytary:
- average dosing in both studies for IR was 5. For Rytary it was 3.6 and for IPX it’s about 3. Yea it’s better not not by much. It certainly won’t have very many patients cut a dosing interveral.
- compared to IR Rytary gave 1.2 hours more on time per dose and IPX 1.55 hours. That’s a change for certain but not much of one.
The disappointing results of IPX coupled with the convoluted dosing, and Rytary going generic, isn’t really promising. Add a dash of Amneal being totally run by a bunch of bozos and the outlook isn’t good.
Over half the salesforce has little to no volume of Rytary. Even still, they are hoping to convert people as the “lowest hanging fruit.” If you talk with HCPs you’ll find that it won’t be as easy as they make it out to be. There is little sense in converting a patient to an expensive poorly covered drug when the benefit won’t even be a dosing interval cut off.
Rytary is better than IR and it’s a tough sell to most HCPs, even after all these years. It’s naive to think this isn’t going to be a very very tough battle ahead.
I am hopeful for you all that it will still be launched, and everyone will keep their job. However, it’s really naive to have the stance of “Dog will hunt.”
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I don’t have a dog. Nor do I hunt but the previous poster is correct about IPX being pretty good. No one is going to claim Rytary and especially Lyvispah was launched with any semblance of competency. However, as noted earlier SH is out and I think just about everyone who launched Rytary is gone. So that’s a positive. The HCPs I’ve had bring it up are all positive about the results. How it’s going to be positioned, priced and marketed is going to be different than Rytary so that will be positive too. In short, the problems plaguing Rytary all these years later look to be addressed with IPX. I think it’s too soon to tell if it’s going to be a dog. It’s certainly not going to be a Billion Dollar product but it doesn’t look like it’s going to be a dud either.
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I don’t have a dog. Nor do I hunt but the previous poster is correct about IPX being pretty good. No one is going to claim Rytary and especially Lyvispah was launched with any semblance of competency. However, as noted earlier SH is out and I think just about everyone who launched Rytary is gone. So that’s a positive. The HCPs I’ve had bring it up are all positive about the results. How it’s going to be positioned, priced and marketed is going to be different than Rytary so that will be positive too. In short, the problems plaguing Rytary all these years later look to be addressed with IPX. I think it’s too soon to tell if it’s going to be a dog. It’s certainly not going to be a Billion Dollar product but it doesn’t look like it’s going to be a dud either.
I hope so. I might not agree with you but I care about a lot of people at Amneal, and I want them to all succeed. I also want patients to be helped.
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I hope so. I might not agree with you but I care about a lot of people at Amneal, and I want them to all succeed. I also want patients to be helped.
dont be posting on CP with that calm reasonable tone! How dare you come fronting with such an agreeable manner! Ha!
no place is perfect. But it seems there is there is a positive vibe in the MDS world ( at least mine) about IPX If it can be priced/positioned as 1st line it will be huge.
From a company stand point it seems there is a consensus in the field that 2 people in upper management need to be gone but doubt that will happen. But one did get shuffled on the Organizational chart. Not sure what will happen to the other (ABD)
Peace to you! Watch that positive attitude!
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dont be posting on CP with that calm reasonable tone! How dare you come fronting with such an agreeable manner! Ha!
no place is perfect. But it seems there is there is a positive vibe in the MDS world ( at least mine) about IPX If it can be priced/positioned as 1st line it will be huge.
From a company stand point it seems there is a consensus in the field that 2 people in upper management need to be gone but doubt that will happen. But one did get shuffled on the Organizational chart. Not sure what will happen to the other (ABD)
Peace to you! Watch that positive attitude!
It has taken me a spell to reply but thanks for being so cool. I think Amneal has the most real sales people out there, it’s actually the biggest pull when it comes to making even considering leaving. I know others as well as myself put true value on that unique factor. It is something that is truly special
It stops at reps though. Management is… YMMV
All the best! Should it go tits up? I know that many of us who have left wouldn’t hesitate for a second to help anyone from Amneal out. Hell, we KNOW how hard you all work!
No gossip or thoughts on Gustavo?
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dont be posting on CP with that calm reasonable tone! How dare you come fronting with such an agreeable manner! Ha!
no place is perfect. But it seems there is there is a positive vibe in the MDS world ( at least mine) about IPX If it can be priced/positioned as 1st line it will be huge.
From a company stand point it seems there is a consensus in the field that 2 people in upper management need to be gone but doubt that will happen. But one did get shuffled on the Organizational chart. Not sure what will happen to the other (ABD)
Peace to you! Watch that positive attitude!
It has taken me a spell to reply but thanks for being so cool. I think Amneal has the most real sales people out there, it’s actually the biggest pull when it comes to making a change. I know others as well as myself put true value on that unique factor. It is something that is truly special
It stops at reps though. Management is… YMMV
All the best and if it all goes tits up, I know that many of us who have left wouldn’t hesitate for a second to help anyone from Amneal out. Hell, we KNOW how hard you all work!
No gossip or thoughts on the head?
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It has taken me a spell to reply but thanks for being so cool. I think Amneal has the most real sales people out there, it’s actually the biggest pull when it comes to making a change. I know others as well as myself put true value on that unique factor. It is something that is truly special
It stops at reps though. Management is… YMMV
All the best and if it all goes tits up, I know that many of us who have left wouldn’t hesitate for a second to help anyone from Amneal out. Hell, we KNOW how hard you all work!
No gossip or thoughts on the head?
yeah the reps for the most part are great. You don’t get too many of the Rah Rah everything is awesome types that other Companies have. You have a lot of practical reps that just put their heads down and try to do their job
RBMs are interesting. The East seems to have cool ones. Or at least you don’t hear too much from their reps with the exception of maybe 1. The West is the Worst. We have the absolute worst manager in the West. His turnover is unbelievable. The other RBMs are just walking on egg shells scared to death.
Above them? Marketing seems ok. Training? I think we all know who the issue is there. Now that SH is gone it will be interesting to see what happens with him. Especially now that he answers to Ops. RL or SF would be amazing running that Department.
Gustavo is definitely not a communicator. I honestly don’t know if I’ve seen anything from him other than when he was hired. I know Home Office people are nervous. i hope we don’t fold. I have no desire to go through the job search process again!
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yeah the reps for the most part are great. You don’t get too many of the Rah Rah everything is awesome types that other Companies have. You have a lot of practical reps that just put their heads down and try to do their job
RBMs are interesting. The East seems to have cool ones. Or at least you don’t hear too much from their reps with the exception of maybe 1. The West is the Worst. We have the absolute worst manager in the West. His turnover is unbelievable. The other RBMs are just walking on egg shells scared to death.
Above them? Marketing seems ok. Training? I think we all know who the issue is there. Now that SH is gone it will be interesting to see what happens with him. Especially now that he answers to Ops. RL or SF would be amazing running that Department.
Gustavo is definitely not a communicator. I honestly don’t know if I’ve seen anything from him other than when he was hired. I know Home Office people are nervous. i hope we don’t fold. I have no desire to go through the job search process again!
G seems like a very weird guy from what I’ve heard. Working in the shadows…
I am interested in what changes training will go through. They had way too much power, any rep I spoke to would comment how creepy weird it was that training was so powerful. I hope they get stripped of that and then they can focus on their actual job. I like many in training but they really went out of their way to wield their power and influence to detrimental outcomes.
Job hunting is pretty exhausting. Still, most reps I know (including myself) who got out, did so in record time. I don’t think anyone knows about “Amneal” but neurology as a whole is a great are to have experience. Rare disease and other areas consistently contact me, even though I am at a new company. So, I think you will be surprised in a good way should they have any layoffs.
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This is a joke? Right? There is no way someone actually thought this was a good idea. We were told on our Zoom call that Specialty is being depended upon to keep the company going. Then they turn around and reorganize the force to virtually guarantee its failure! Will someone put a stop to this at the NSM? Heck, the guy whose idea it was isn’t even here anymore! You can tell that there was 0 input from anyone with Field Experience. Who does that in the 21st Century?
There’s already one RBM opening out in the East. Good luck filling that one!
IPX is supposed to be our big blockbuster, so let’s go ahead and shave off 1/3 of that sales force and their relationships they’ve forged over the years and put them on a new team selling an absolute loser of a product with nowhere near the potential. In what world is that a good idea?
Territory sizes are huge. Mine about tripled and will require multiple overnights. But others on my team might as well live out of their cars! I’m hearing of reps with 3-4 states to cover
Proving even more that Corporate doesn’t get it why are we not getting an increase in pay along with our increase in geography and increase in responsibilities ? Most folks in our industry with geographies this size make way more money than we do.
And have they thought about the inevitable turn over that’s about to happen? Reps making 85-95 with these giant territories are gonna soon learn they can make 120+ with a territory 1/3 the size.
This is going to snowball. They won’t be able to fill the vacancies that are going to pop up because no one is going to want to take a job where they are gone 2-3 nights a week for 85. So by the time IPX is approved in Q3 you will have a sales force launching it that you scaled down, with multiple openings across the country and with folks that are still trying to get their routing together let alone build rapport (one of our workshops ) with offices.
This place is doomed to failure if things are kept the way they are after yesterday’s news
There’s already one RBM opening out in the East. Good luck filling that one!
IPX is supposed to be our big blockbuster, so let’s go ahead and shave off 1/3 of that sales force and their relationships they’ve forged over the years and put them on a new team selling an absolute loser of a product with nowhere near the potential. In what world is that a good idea?
Territory sizes are huge. Mine about tripled and will require multiple overnights. But others on my team might as well live out of their cars! I’m hearing of reps with 3-4 states to cover
Proving even more that Corporate doesn’t get it why are we not getting an increase in pay along with our increase in geography and increase in responsibilities ? Most folks in our industry with geographies this size make way more money than we do.
And have they thought about the inevitable turn over that’s about to happen? Reps making 85-95 with these giant territories are gonna soon learn they can make 120+ with a territory 1/3 the size.
This is going to snowball. They won’t be able to fill the vacancies that are going to pop up because no one is going to want to take a job where they are gone 2-3 nights a week for 85. So by the time IPX is approved in Q3 you will have a sales force launching it that you scaled down, with multiple openings across the country and with folks that are still trying to get their routing together let alone build rapport (one of our workshops ) with offices.
This place is doomed to failure if things are kept the way they are after yesterday’s news
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Annnd Gustavo is already gone. Wow
So is KF. I think that’s who was being referenced above
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This is simply a way to get rid of reps without paying severance. If you don’t leave on your own you will be managed out. They won’t be able to fill vacancies for the Spasticity reps so won’t bother. Eventually the heard will be thinned enough that you can then recombine teams and go from there. Fun Fact - The cities and territories that had the highest Lyvispah sales……don’t have a Lyvispah rep. Amneal will cease to be inside of 5 years.
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why do they keep the sales trainers?
Good question! Training is bloated.