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New stuff in development. Gotta admit, been pretty well a "me, too" company until now, but change is coming. Seeing innvoative projects underway to reduce costs and others to truly change the "game" on some shoulder fundamentals. May not quite achieve the level of "game changing" desired by Tornier management, but the effort is likely to result in new products that may not seem much different, yet adoption will follow. Wait and see...
 


New stuff in development. Gotta admit, been pretty well a "me, too" company until now, but change is coming. Seeing innvoative projects underway to reduce costs and others to truly change the "game" on some shoulder fundamentals. May not quite achieve the level of "game changing" desired by Tornier management, but the effort is likely to result in new products that may not seem much different, yet adoption will follow. Wait and see...

It certainly didn't start off as a "me too" company. They had the most innovative shoulder design concept with the original Aequalis shoulder. However, since then, they have copied most everything.
 


It certainly didn't start off as a "me too" company. They had the most innovative shoulder design concept with the original Aequalis shoulder. However, since then, they have copied most everything.

Agree, they were innovative and still do have some talented surgeons that work with them. However lately, they make modest upgrades on DePuy designs. Bad plan, just look at DePuy's market share on shoulders the last 4 years. Down, down, down.

Their anchor peg glenoid is a joke. How many press-fit poly implants have been successful in the history of ortho. uhhhh 0.

The grammont philosophy for RSAs was brilliant, like the Model T, but there have been numerous improvements since. Very dated, marginal at best.

Great strategy to be Extremity focused, but not sustainable. You can't keep throwing money at Fellowship trained shoulder docs, some before they even start their practice. They have stated they want to be bought, but who would buy them with all these contracts out there.

Eventually, they will have to start selling their products based on the product benefits and clinical data. Good luck with that.
 


I'm seeing a new Tornier shoulder in my hospitals that docs seem to be jumping on - the Aequalis Flex or Ascend Flex. I'm hearing good things about this system from the docs and the techs. What's the story here?
 




Whatever...just hope and pray that Stryker or some other company buys you. There is nothing new or great coming out of this company. Even if there was, you need a sales force to sell it! Keep sucking that French cock and watch the other American companies blow past. Just curious...hows that DJO shoulder going for you guys over sea's? Or did that deal not go thru?
 


How good is the tornier shoulder?

average

flex is me too

glenoid is depuy knock off w a spin

reverse baseplate and sphere are ancient compared to whats out there

new screw-in baseplate is a poor djo copy

anything for posterior or superior wear? nope. biomet, depuy, and exactech do right now.

maybe this stuff keeps docs from switching... but why would a doc switch from biomet, exactech or depuy to this?

wonder what zimmer is cooking up?
 


Game is over for Tornier. With Biomet recently taking over as the leader in market share, the new stubby stem from Tornier is weak at best. Everyone is reloading, this is not a good time in the extremities market to deny what discerning surgeons demand. With the addition of ditching some major distributors and the uncertainty of being sold, it will be tough for T to hang on to the dwindling market share they have.
 


average

flex is me too

glenoid is depuy knock off w a spin

reverse baseplate and sphere are ancient compared to whats out there

new screw-in baseplate is a poor djo copy

anything for posterior or superior wear? nope. biomet, depuy, and exactech do right now.

maybe this stuff keeps docs from switching... but why would a doc switch from biomet, exactech or depuy to this?

wonder what zimmer is cooking up?



-I'm not sure that the Flex is "me too"......I haven't seen anything out there that with the same design rationale or instrumentation.

-The PerFORM glenoid may be similar, but with less bone loss due to matching the glenoid curvature resulting in less glenoid reaming

-RVD baseplate helps to prevent glenoid bone loss compared to Biomet's enormous post/screw...

-haven't seen the screw in baseplate that you're speaking of that would copy the DJO design

-PerFORM glenoid allows for positioning away from current glenoid wear....

-Plenty of reasons for a doc to go back to Tornier based on the Flex's design - bone sparing glenoid component, bone sparing humeral component, and a sales rep that actually knows about shoulder replacement vs. a knee/hip rep who moonlights as a shoulder specialist.

I don't care either way, I have just seen the new design and how it stacks up against the competition. I think the other companies are screwed if Tornier can get back to what it does best.....Shoulders!
 


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-Plenty of reasons for a doc to go back to Tornier based on the Flex's design - bone sparing glenoid component, bone sparing humeral component, and a sales rep that actually knows about shoulder replacement vs. a knee/hip rep who moonlights as a shoulder specialist.

I don't care either way, I have just seen the new design and how it stacks up against the competition. I think the other companies are screwed if Tornier can get back to what it does best.....Shoulders!

I thought Tornier was now the market leading Foot & Ankle company? At least that's what I've been able to gather from reading these posts......
 






-I'm not sure that the Flex is "me too"......I haven't seen anything out there that with the same design rationale or instrumentation.

-The PerFORM glenoid may be similar, but with less bone loss due to matching the glenoid curvature resulting in less glenoid reaming

-RVD baseplate helps to prevent glenoid bone loss compared to Biomet's enormous post/screw...

-haven't seen the screw in baseplate that you're speaking of that would copy the DJO design

-PerFORM glenoid allows for positioning away from current glenoid wear....

-Plenty of reasons for a doc to go back to Tornier based on the Flex's design - bone sparing glenoid component, bone sparing humeral component, and a sales rep that actually knows about shoulder replacement vs. a knee/hip rep who moonlights as a shoulder specialist.

I don't care either way, I have just seen the new design and how it stacks up against the competition. I think the other companies are screwed if Tornier can get back to what it does best.....Shoulders!

right out of training eh? good luck mate
 


Question: what percentage of conversions to reverses are started with a Hemi/fracture stem prosthesis? Tornier is missing a large part of the equation w the ascend flex...good concept but with no convertibility from their fracture stem they are missing the boat
 







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