The Amgen decision for the bullpen vs offices


It is such a silly argument. I know this may be hard for you to understand or perhaps even believe, but some people actually like work. They enjoy working, and gain a high level of fulfillment from it. What you see as a Rat Race others see as engaging, intriguing and meaningful. I have lived in both worlds and understand both sides of it. Pharma sales is a lifestyle job for sure. I get that. Rarely do you make big money or there is limited chances to make big money(a launch here or there) or career growth by staying in sales, but yes you can enjoy a nice lifestyle financially if that is what motivates you. Nothing wrong with that, just like there is nothing wrong with wanting more than a lifestyle job and/career while settling on just OK money. Some people are motived to achieve more financially and in responsibility.

Please do not take this the wrong way, but I absolutely despised the 'breakfast, lunch, snack' inservice which was the primary mode of interaction with the customer in the OBU. Sure there are appointments but the vast majority of interactions are attached to the rep brining in a meal. The mindlessness of having to call the office to confirm, finding out what type of food they wanted, calling or going online to order the food, to then stand in some cramped break room feeding 20+ staff to get a few minuets of time to talk to the doctor about a product that has been on the market for a few years with no new data. Often times hearing the complaints from an overweight HS dropout office admin that the food wasn't good. That experience was soul crushing for me and many others. The driving around, dropping marketing materials and care kits to feel like you are doing something on the days you didn't have lunch or appointment seemed mindless and pointless. The needless admin, call entry, top down micromanagement, and ride-a-longs were so frustrating and pointless that no matter how flexible my days were they were so unfulfilling and family, friends and extracurriculars can only fill so much of that gap for some people...me included. I enjoy being in TO, I enjoy having at least a shot at achieve some of my career goals from a responsibility and financial perspective. I am certainly not an all work and no fun person, however if we are to spend 40 hours a week or more on something I need it to be more than catering food, schmoozing, and talking about things the doctor already knows. Please save your, "there's more to the job than that" narrative I have held sales roles and sales leadership positions here and elsewhere so I know the drill and the nuances of the job. Sure you may think that many/all home office jobs are meaningless, however they are no more meaningless than what you do...


you sound exactly like the soulless goons who sell out their families for career and financial goals

too bad so many of you are all over TO

I know, I spent enough time there
 

I worked as a consultant.
Everything I need to know about you is in the statement " I worked as a consultant".

You are most likely a former pharma executive that was downsized (really you were fired) from your regional, sales director, or vp of sales position. Because you had 25 years invested, you were too old to get another equal spot.

By your other statement that Amgen should wack their sales force proves this point even further. After YOU got wacked, you came to the harsh reality that you peers and subordinates were NOT your friend and have secretly blocked you from getting back into the industry at your previous level.

Desperate for a job, a pal at a "consultant" firm tossed you a gig at a third of your previous pay. Part of that job is to prospect new business which is why you troll CP to gain a pulse of the company.

Bottom line-piss off! Your heavy handed breed is dead. Please do not give old pharma advice to Amgen.

Enjoy retirement in Oklahoma.
 
you sound exactly like the soulless goons who sell out their families for career and financial goals

too bad so many of you are all over TO

I know, I spent enough time there

Wow...what a presumptive thing to say. You have no idea what my life is like or what my work life balance is? The presumption that the only people who have work life balance are external sales people is preposterous. Why do you presume that home office people are working 6 AM to Midnight? Why is that your perception? I get to work in time for my first meeting and I leave when I have no more meeting commitments. I leave whenever I want for school events, doctor's visits and practices. I miss next to nothing with my kids or family. So sad you feel like it's a zero sum game. It is not. You can be a great spouse and parent and build a successful career at the same time. Help me understand...why is your 'enough' supposed to be my 'enough' financially or career wise? Perhaps I want to generate generational wealth where my family will be taken care of...is that so bad?
 
Everything I need to know about you is in the statement " I worked as a consultant".

You are most likely a former pharma executive that was downsized (really you were fired) from your regional, sales director, or vp of sales position. Because you had 25 years invested, you were too old to get another equal spot.

By your other statement that Amgen should wack their sales force proves this point even further. After YOU got wacked, you came to the harsh reality that you peers and subordinates were NOT your friend and have secretly blocked you from getting back into the industry at your previous level.

Desperate for a job, a pal at a "consultant" firm tossed you a gig at a third of your previous pay. Part of that job is to prospect new business which is why you troll CP to gain a pulse of the company.

Bottom line-piss off! Your heavy handed breed is dead. Please do not give old pharma advice to Amgen.

Enjoy retirement in Oklahoma.
Tool. You're lukewarm, at best.
 
I am field based and have worked in a HQ with previous company. You are wrong to label reps/managers/field reimbursement as lazy.
You say you work 70 hours over 5-6 days a week? I call BS. You might be at the office 70 hours over 5-6 days a week but are you REALLY working!
How much of your time is spent showing up early and staying late because of the culture.
I have visited TO on more than one occasion and I see a lot of people that try and look busy on their computers with their airpods. Take the marketing at this company for example. It is pathetic. You can't tell me they work 70 true hours a week! Or maybe they do and still produce crap.
In the field, we are seeing the pointless amount of WebEx meetings that we are subjected to during Covid. This is a picture of your "work" at TO. You have pointless meetings every day that do not accomplish anything of worth other than to show that you are busy.
So I agree with the poster to enjoy your RAT RACE.

God you're stupid. He wasn't referring to anyone at Amgen working 70 hour weeks. He was saying consultants work 70 hour weeks because I brought up consultants, which is a lot, when you compare it to the measly hours we work in TO, which apparently is long hours and creates a work life issue for you lazy ass and apparently reading comprehension impaired reps. You guys are really pathetic. And you think you can tell how much someone is working based on a quick pass by their desk? I wear airpods to listen to music while I work on models all the time. I've never met a group of people who speculate and infer more than sales reps. You guys should stay away from investing. What a bunch of clowns.
 
Everything I need to know about you is in the statement " I worked as a consultant".

You are most likely a former pharma executive that was downsized (really you were fired) from your regional, sales director, or vp of sales position. Because you had 25 years invested, you were too old to get another equal spot.

By your other statement that Amgen should wack their sales force proves this point even further. After YOU got wacked, you came to the harsh reality that you peers and subordinates were NOT your friend and have secretly blocked you from getting back into the industry at your previous level.

Desperate for a job, a pal at a "consultant" firm tossed you a gig at a third of your previous pay. Part of that job is to prospect new business which is why you troll CP to gain a pulse of the company.

Bottom line-piss off! Your heavy handed breed is dead. Please do not give old pharma advice to Amgen.

Enjoy retirement in Oklahoma.

You're dumb as fuck. I don't think you know what he means by a consultant. He's not talking about a fired executive who is doing "consultant work" as a euphemism. That was utterly obvious from what he said and the context as well. He is clearly referring to management consultant and this story you just crafted in your pea brain is quite a piece of fiction. Double your dose and stay in your lane. You don't know shit.
 
Wow...what a presumptive thing to say. You have no idea what my life is like or what my work life balance is? The presumption that the only people who have work life balance are external sales people is preposterous. Why do you presume that home office people are working 6 AM to Midnight? Why is that your perception? I get to work in time for my first meeting and I leave when I have no more meeting commitments. I leave whenever I want for school events, doctor's visits and practices. I miss next to nothing with my kids or family. So sad you feel like it's a zero sum game. It is not. You can be a great spouse and parent and build a successful career at the same time. Help me understand...why is your 'enough' supposed to be my 'enough' financially or career wise? Perhaps I want to generate generational wealth where my family will be taken care of...is that so bad?

They assume that because it fits with the story they already have in their head and confirms their bias, makes them feel better, etc. It's obviously totally made up. Walk around the TO offices at 5pm and they're practically empty except for a few people who may have a deadline. Most people aren't working hours at night. And very very few people get in before 8am. So yeah of course there's plenty of time for tons of other things in life. There's 24 hours in a day. Spend 8 at work that leaves 16. Even ten at work still leave you with reasonable work life balance (I know because I've done it).
 


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