DUI...should I even try?


go for it, if you do not get the job you are no worse off than you are now, who knows what might happen. The main things is don't get your hopes too high.

This is terrible advice. Some companies do not get the whole background check done until you are in training. By then you've quit your old job. It has happened where things will come back on the background checks and they will send you home from training or let you go.

The best thing to do is wait 5 years minimum before you even try to get in the biz.

Some companies where you use your own car still have to keep a level of liability insurance on their employees who drive and can reject you for having a DUI even though you carry your own insurance as well. This is because if you are in an accident on company time the victim can not only come after you but also the company because you were driving on behalf of the corporation at the time of the accident.
 


even if you haven't "earned" enough points to be diqualified for job, most companies see it on your record and see that as a complete lack of moral fiber and eliminate you anyway.
 


JUST GO FOR IT, i got one 3 years ago and am a recent graduate as well. Been getting interviews and offers left and right.

Granted its going to be much harder (especially with bigger companies) but it is by no means going to stop you. If there is a will theres a way. Its a numbers game. Good Luck!
 


JUST GO FOR IT, i got one 3 years ago and am a recent graduate as well. Been getting interviews and offers left and right.

Granted its going to be much harder (especially with bigger companies) but it is by no means going to stop you. If there is a will theres a way. Its a numbers game. Good Luck!

3 1/2 years since last post.
Did you major in cliché?
 




Listen DUI kid,

DON'T go into this Marketing Job, ok?

It is not a sales job.

You are bettor off just doint what motivates you, becauset this job will suck the life out of you because of the following:

a. the people in this industry are fakes, and not very smart, so you will not learn anything about anything from them, other than how to be a faker.

b. the love to downsize every 3 years it seems

c. there are better jobs out there that will value true sales people.

d. other industries will laugh you off, if you try to get jobs there.

And although it really doesn't matter how much you know or how talented you actually are in life (its mostly about the network), you still don't want to be in pharma UNLESS you are a psycho type.

My recommendation is to go to high growth areas, companies like google. These are tough jobs to get, but that is where you want to be.

You do not want to be in pharma, ever.

Wish someone told me that, because now I am looking at option B, and I am putting that option into place.
 


Allow me to decipher the previous poster's blather:

Listen DUI kid,

DON'T go into this Marketing Job, ok?
That will get them! I'll call this a MARKETING job. No one likes MARKETING jobs do they?
And if I can keep people out of this industry, maybe I'll increase my change of being rehired.

It is not a sales job.
As I said one sentence ago, "Marketing Job". Weren't you paying attention?
I've read the "not a sales job" here before and it seems to get attention. I really don't understand the argument, but I'll throw it in at athe start.

You are bettor off just doint what motivates you, becauset this job will suck the life out of you because of the following:
I made a huge mistake getting into pharma and I feel like a total failure! I always thought it would be easy and big bucks for doing nothing. God AM I A FAILURE! And I want YOU to fail like me.

a. the people in this industry are fakes, and not very smart, so you will not learn anything about anything from them, other than how to be a faker. Nevermind the thousands of brilliant scientists, the life-saving/enhancing drugs, the reps who live very comfortable lives, the best benefits in most any industry...on and on and on.. I am a failure. I cheated on almost every test during training, I make up calls because I don't know how to sell, I lie to my boss about success stories, I just grap quick signatures from doctors because I don't know how to talk with them, and on and on and on...

b. the love to downsize every 3 years it seems
I've never held a job with a company for longer than 3 years

c. there are better jobs out there that will value true sales people.
He, he..the "true sales people" again. Will someone help me out and point out some true sales jobs? I'm running out of places to send my resume!

d. other industries will laugh you off, if you try to get jobs there.
I've literally been laughed out of interviews with several pharma and non-pharma companies! I can't believe what a failure I am. Why don't these managers believe my bullshit success stories or like my fake brag book that I put together? I've read about how to handle these stupid managers right here on CP, why do I suck so bad?

And although it really doesn't matter how much you know or how talented you actually are in life (its mostly about the network), you still don't want to be in pharma UNLESS you are a psycho type.
My mommie always told me how smart and funny I was and she was never wrong! So what if I don't have and friends in my or any other companies! I got through high school and college without many friends. Mommie always said I don't need friends, just her. I am normal, everyone else is a psycho in this World.

My recommendation is to go to high growth areas, companies like google. These are tough jobs to get, but that is where you want to be.
I really don't know what "high growth areas" means but I read it somewhere. Let's see...I use google a lot! I'll throw out Google! They are so big I bet they have an office in every country and state.

You do not want to be in pharma, ever.
So run away! It's mine, ALL MINE!

Wish someone told me that, because now I am looking at option B, and I am putting that option into place.
I've already gone through plans b,c,d,e,f and g. Can someone help me out with some advice?
 


Allow me to decipher the previous poster's blather:

Different person here but thought I'd throw my two cents in here>..

Long story short, I got into medical device after 6 months of apologizing for my pharma experience...Same benefits as you, same working hours as you, obviously better pay and skills I don't have to apologize for...trust me, I know, I apologized in interview after interview.

If you have not been in front of hiring DM for a high end device job..try it...it is a sobering experience. A middle of the pack rep seling a widget will get in front of you in the process over you being a pharma superstar...why? Because nobody cares about pharma success. One DM for a device company who hired me and I became a good friend of his flat out said during the interview "put those numbers away...they are meaningless here." Ask yourself, why is that?

I may be moving into device management in about 6 months based on some growth here, and I wouldn't really want to interview anyone with too much pharma. If my income as a DM depended on the salesmanship of an unknown rep. i'd take a copier salesperson over a pharma superstar for obvious reasons. Plus, I couldn't see rewarding a pharma rep with a 175k a year job as a rep when they were a drug rep...just couldn't.

If I had to do it over again I would have avoided pharma, stayed with copiers for a few more years and not have to grovel for a good sales job.
 


So basically you are saying even though someone took a chance on you (since you were in pharma) you are not willing to take a chance on someone else in pharma?

Kind of conceited, aren't you?
 




Allow me to decipher the previous poster's blather:

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen DUI kid,

DON'T go into this Marketing Job, ok?
That will get them! I'll call this a MARKETING job. No one likes MARKETING jobs do they?
And if I can keep people out of this industry, maybe I'll increase my change of being rehired.

Hey, loser, it is a marketing job. Didn't you get the memo. BTW, I have a job, and never sweat when I lose one, because I am rich bitch, a fact.

It is not a sales job.
As I said one sentence ago, "Marketing Job". Weren't you paying attention?
I've read the "not a sales job" here before and it seems to get attention. I really don't understand the argument, but I'll throw it in at athe start.

Never was a sales job, and never will be, primarily because of the regulations involved. Your argument is stupid, if it can even be considered an argument.


You are bettor off just doint what motivates you, becauset this job will suck the life out of you because of the following:
I made a huge mistake getting into pharma and I feel like a total failure! I always thought it would be easy and big bucks for doing nothing. God AM I A FAILURE! And I want YOU to fail like me.

Someone with a house paid off, money in the bank, and good health, and a good family is not a failure. What is your idea of success. I am simply encouraging the OP to make better decisions with their career than PhAmaA r***** sales.


a. the people in this industry are fakes, and not very smart, so you will not learn anything about anything from them, other than how to be a faker. Nevermind the thousands of brilliant scientists, the life-saving/enhancing drugs, the reps who live very comfortable lives, the best benefits in most any industry...on and on and on.. I am a failure. I cheated on almost every test during training, I make up calls because I don't know how to sell, I lie to my boss about success stories, I just grap quick signatures from doctors because I don't know how to talk with them, and on and on and on...

If you dont' think the people in this industry are fake, then you really have your head up your butt.

b. the love to downsize every 3 years it seems
I've never held a job with a company for longer than 3 years

Great employees get let go all the time, where have you been. Again, you lose credit with your nonsense here.

c. there are better jobs out there that will value true sales people.
He, he..the "true sales people" again. Will someone help me out and point out some true sales jobs? I'm running out of places to send my resume!

The job market is the worst in about 20 years, again you are clueless about the real world.

d. other industries will laugh you off, if you try to get jobs there.
I've literally been laughed out of interviews with several pharma and non-pharma companies! I can't believe what a failure I am. Why don't these managers believe my bullshit success stories or like my fake brag book that I put together? I've read about how to handle these stupid managers right here on CP, why do I suck so bad?

Again, you just make no sense here. You write like a foolish teenager or an upper management drunk.

And although it really doesn't matter how much you know or how talented you actually are in life (its mostly about the network), you still don't want to be in pharma UNLESS you are a psycho type.
My mommie always told me how smart and funny I was and she was never wrong! So what if I don't have and friends in my or any other companies! I got through high school and college without many friends. Mommie always said I don't need friends, just her. I am normal, everyone else is a psycho in this World.

STFU. Don't mention parents or other family stuff. Stick with the topic, loser.

My recommendation is to go to high growth areas, companies like google. These are tough jobs to get, but that is where you want to be.
I really don't know what "high growth areas" means but I read it somewhere. Let's see...I use google a lot! I'll throw out Google! They are so big I bet they have an office in every country and state.

Google and Apple are high growth. You are clueless because you have had your head up the pharma bandwagon. Pharma, like auto and banking in NOT high growth. STFU, and stick with what you know, which you is not much.
You do not want to be in pharma, ever.

So run away! It's mine, ALL MINE!

Wish someone told me that, because now I am looking at option B, and I am putting that option into place.
I've already gone through plans b,c,d,e,f and g. Can someone help me out with some advice?

Not sure why I wasted my time with this, but you probably are terrible in bed.
 


So basically you are saying even though someone took a chance on you (since you were in pharma) you are not willing to take a chance on someone else in pharma?

Kind of conceited, aren't you?

You missed my point. I had copier sales experience and that is why they hired me. If I were "pharma only" I would have been hosed. Most people I know who are in pharma have pharma only. Or have been in pharma for years and years.

It wasn't taking a chance a me. I sold one of the hardest things ever to sell with copiers and did pretty well. They saw that and hired me.
 


You missed my point. I had copier sales experience and that is why they hired me. If I were "pharma only" I would have been hosed. Most people I know who are in pharma have pharma only. Or have been in pharma for years and years.

It wasn't taking a chance a me. I sold one of the hardest things ever to sell with copiers and did pretty well. They saw that and hired me.

If you didn't sell pharma, why did you apologize for your pharma experience --

"Long story short, I got into medical device after 6 months of apologizing for my pharma experience...Same benefits as you, same working hours as you, obviously better pay and skills I don't have to apologize for...trust me, I know, I apologized in interview after interview."
 


If you didn't sell pharma, why did you apologize for your pharma experience --

"Long story short, I got into medical device after 6 months of apologizing for my pharma experience...Same benefits as you, same working hours as you, obviously better pay and skills I don't have to apologize for...trust me, I know, I apologized in interview after interview."

I did copiers, then pharma for 3 miserable years.
 


You just gotta laugh your ass off at these people who think "copier sales" is real sales and "REAL" sales managers hold this experience in such high esteem. LOL!
Copier sales is one of the original pyramid schemes. Get a youngster out of college with a 2.0 gpa and let them knock on doors for straight commission until they die out. The manager gets the repeat business and hires another stellar student to last another year or two.
NO ONE EVER has gone into "REAL COPIER SALES" with higher than a 2.5 gpa. LOL

Keep telling yourself you have "REAL" sales experience junior.
 




Amusing. . . . people providing opinions when they really have NO clue.

To the college grad

Yes you can work in the industry. Trust me, talking from experience.

Every pharma company has an insurance policy with a leasing company. This policy determines how far they look back.

Regardless, many companies only look back 3 years. Others five years. I know of none that look back 7 years. Once it is more than the look back, you will have NO problem. Often times the company will not even know because (in some states) it is a vehicular misdeamenor. On job apps, they are looking for felonies. If it happens to be a felony in the state you got hit, then they will see it.

I know of quite a few in my region who have dui's.

So, with that said, of the ones I know. Forrest looks back 5 years. Schering 3. Phizer 3.

(QUOTE)

Lundbeck tries to look back a full week, but sometimes they get confused and just look back to the past weekend. So if you can manage to sober up before the interview, you are pretty much OK
 


post is old but still relevant... try getting your DUI expunged, although this is not possible in some states. It's a long and tedious process (3-6 mo.) involving a lot of paper work and other requirements. You should probably hire a DUI lawyer who specializes in the field. Getting a DUI expunged from your record will NOT guarantee that a company will not find out about it, especially the insurance companies they hire. However, you do not have to disclose a DUI on paper unless your applying for a government job. This buys valuable time for which you can impress whoever you need to. So my advice: apply. impress the HELL out of whoever gave you the chance and convince them that you will become an integral part to their success. When the insurance company finds out about your expunged DUI, have your recruiter vouch for you that you are an important asset to the company and they would be stupid to let you go over a mistake you made 3 (now 6, seeing as OP dates back to 08) years ago. However, none of this is from experience so they may as well be empty words. Someone who actually has gotten their DUI expunged or who has more knowledge on the subject can chime in and acknowledge or correct my judgement.
 


You just gotta laugh your ass off at these people who think "copier sales" is real sales and "REAL" sales managers hold this experience in such high esteem. LOL!
Copier sales is one of the original pyramid schemes. Get a youngster out of college with a 2.0 gpa and let them knock on doors for straight commission until they die out. The manager gets the repeat business and hires another stellar student to last another year or two.
NO ONE EVER has gone into "REAL COPIER SALES" with higher than a 2.5 gpa. LOL

Keep telling yourself you have "REAL" sales experience junior.

yes, you responded to me ( device rep here) I went into copier with an average GPA. I didn't have many other options. I was not much for studying in college. I am not an intellectual. Sorry if it may be difficult for you to understand someone that is 30 years old making 175 ish a year with my average GPA from a state school nobody has ever heard of (and those that have know it is a 4th tier school) with a very average SAT score, I think I broke a 1000...maybe... But who cares? I know plenty of brilliant people that don't have my standard of living.

So, boo hoo...I may be Mr Average in the intellect department, but I have what society really values:

1) Great schmoozer
2) Fancy suits
3) Great smile
4) Tall
5) Know how to play the game...
6) Quarter after quarter of good sales

I fully admit you are probably smarter than me. But when I come home to a loving wife, a newborn baby in a beautiful new house, while saving/investing half of our income in an impressive long term portfolio, I sort of chuckle at those who are smarter than me.

Call me an idiot. Who cares? Payday is tomorrow and commissions are cut tomorrow. Being an idiot in this country pays well in a country that just wants sales results, which I deliver.
 


yes, you responded to me ( device rep here) I went into copier with an average GPA. I didn't have many other options. I was not much for studying in college. I am not an intellectual. Sorry if it may be difficult for you to understand someone that is 30 years old making 175 ish a year with my average GPA from a state school nobody has ever heard of (and those that have know it is a 4th tier school) with a very average SAT score, I think I broke a 1000...maybe... But who cares? I know plenty of brilliant people that don't have my standard of living.

So, boo hoo...I may be Mr Average in the intellect department, but I have what society really values:

1) Great schmoozer
2) Fancy suits
3) Great smile
4) Tall
5) Know how to play the game...
6) Quarter after quarter of good sales

I fully admit you are probably smarter than me. But when I come home to a loving wife, a newborn baby in a beautiful new house, while saving/investing half of our income in an impressive long term portfolio, I sort of chuckle at those who are smarter than me.

Call me an idiot. Who cares? Payday is tomorrow and commissions are cut tomorrow. Being an idiot in this country pays well in a country that just wants sales results, which I deliver.

Have to give you credit for your accomplishments, but don't sell yourself short because you didn't to to Havard (over-rated school anyway) and didn't get a 1600 SAT.

You worked to get where you are, I am sure.

But, you also got lucky, right?

Signed,

A pissed off guy that never gets his break in medical device and has finally given up on that after being a finalist at least ten times in the last three years.

Congrats.
 



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