Convatec


to the Coloplast rep: You are in the dark!! The products are not great, the new sensura is just a weak attempt to change the Assura product. More as to why Coloplast is just a European brand trying to make it on US soil: with the plastic and "backing" of your pouch, I can smell my patients when they come into see me with a Coloplast Pouching system!

ConvaTec is still #1, Hollister is far better than you will ever be. I'll take that to the bank you smug wanna be.
 

Being an w/c rep and having a family member with an ostomy forced me into learning about these companies. I see their reps and ask them questions. The Coloplast rep told me ConvaTec is the biggest company of the three but is losing market share and they (Coloplast) reportedly passed them for market share. The other player in ostomy is Hollister. In the USA, ConvaTec and Hollister dominate in the GPO acute care market for ostomy because they've been at this longer in the USA than Coloplast, however, their reps that I know seem very arrogant, unlike the Coloplast reps. My family member prefers Coloplast due to its ease of use. She says ConvaTec makes a lousy product(s), and most WOCNs who I call on seem to agree with her. What I find interesting is the price of their products. When shopping for my sister I was amazed how much more expensive ConvaTec and Hollister is than Coloplast. Between distributor and dealer markups, not knowing what the suggested retail is, it's a no brainer that the DME's margins must be getting eaten up with the higher priced product. Those reps must be worried if all they sell is ostomy. Although there are about 80,000 ostomy surgeries a year, with new and improved surgical techniques, between 75% and 90% of them get reversed within 3 months, therefore, it's got to be a tough sell, as you keep losing business to reversals, and then have to sell to hospitals, then to home health agencies and then to dealers who hopefully buy from distributors who carry your product and who are not in bed with the competition.

Where in the heck did you get your figures from??? Make sense you like Coloplast so much. Please stick with them, you fit in just right.
 
Can anyone give me correct market numbers and market share in the US, EU and World for CVT, Hollister and Coloplast? According to numbers I found the ostomy market is about $1.8billion - with Coloplast holding $682m (or 36%) globally. How much do CVT and Hollister have globally? in the US? in the EU?
Also, I read that there are about 80,000 ostomy surgeries in the US. How many of them are permanent? What are the EU and global numbers? Hoping someone can help.....
 
NOT Happy With Convatec

This is a letter I send off to Convatec this evening.....

Hello:

Let me start of by saying I was born with an Ostomy...I have learned
to deal with it, all of my 47 years of life. I have managed to cope
pretty well......I have seen changes in Ostomy supplies...some
good......

I like to be ensure that when I wear a Convatec product that I should
be at ease thinking the product won't leak......but lately there's
just been too many times.....and it's no fault of mine....The pouches
have small enough holes in them to leak and it's not where the wrafer
is located at.

Last week, while out....started leaking....I had to go home and change
the pouch...the same one i put on that very same morning...

This evening I went to change my pouch...I notice I only had one
left...I went to the phone to place my order at a my local drug
store....my order will be ready after 10:00, tomorrow morning....NOW I
admit....it's my fault that I should have placed an order
earlier.......but that's besides the point.

I went on to changed my pouch.......it wasn't even 30 minute and I
notice that I was wet...the pouch leaked!!!!!!!!!!!!....so here I hm,
dealing with this problem all night and I have an appointment first
thing in the morningat 9:30......


I am NOT happy at all....I should be able to trust your product to get
me throught a few days, without worrying about any leakage, in the
bag....the leaked is so small...I don't even know where it is on the
bag itself.


I'm upset, mad...disappointed........the high cost of these puches and
they mostly LEAKED!!!! The last time I had this problem....I did get a
replacement box, from your company......which is kind..and THEN I got
on your mailing list........BUT WHY do I and others have to go through
the problems of living on the edge, thinking am I'm going to make it
through the day, without the darn pouches leaking that we purchased
from YOUR company....it's not fair....it's big company charging us
big prices for, at times cheap product.

For the record...I keep my pouches in a cool place, and they usally
last me a month or two....I'm not sure how long they sit on the shelf
of your company or the drug stores.

I have to be honest in saying that I can't trust your product and I
will let others know....if I can...I will try another
company....that's how upset I am!!

Letter goes with private information.....
 
Re: NOT Happy With Convatec

This is a letter I send off to Convatec this evening.....

Hello:

Let me start of by saying I was born with an Ostomy...I have learned
to deal with it, all of my 47 years of life. I have managed to cope
pretty well......I have seen changes in Ostomy supplies...some
good......

I like to be ensure that when I wear a Convatec product that I should
be at ease thinking the product won't leak......but lately there's
just been too many times.....and it's no fault of mine....The pouches
have small enough holes in them to leak and it's not where the wrafer
is located at.

Last week, while out....started leaking....I had to go home and change
the pouch...the same one i put on that very same morning...

This evening I went to change my pouch...I notice I only had one
left...I went to the phone to place my order at a my local drug
store....my order will be ready after 10:00, tomorrow morning....NOW I
admit....it's my fault that I should have placed an order
earlier.......but that's besides the point.

I went on to changed my pouch.......it wasn't even 30 minute and I
notice that I was wet...the pouch leaked!!!!!!!!!!!!....so here I hm,
dealing with this problem all night and I have an appointment first
thing in the morningat 9:30......


I am NOT happy at all....I should be able to trust your product to get
me throught a few days, without worrying about any leakage, in the
bag....the leaked is so small...I don't even know where it is on the
bag itself.


I'm upset, mad...disappointed........the high cost of these puches and
they mostly LEAKED!!!! The last time I had this problem....I did get a
replacement box, from your company......which is kind..and THEN I got
on your mailing list........BUT WHY do I and others have to go through
the problems of living on the edge, thinking am I'm going to make it
through the day, without the darn pouches leaking that we purchased
from YOUR company....it's not fair....it's big company charging us
big prices for, at times cheap product.

For the record...I keep my pouches in a cool place, and they usally
last me a month or two....I'm not sure how long they sit on the shelf
of your company or the drug stores.

I have to be honest in saying that I can't trust your product and I
will let others know....if I can...I will try another
company....that's how upset I am!!

Letter goes with private information.....

Now you know why so many of us who work for this shoddy company are sending off resignation letters (many have already left).You deserved, better, sorry. You'll be better off dealing with Hollister or Coloplast ostomy, as many of us will be better off pursuing our sales and marketing careers elsewhere. Convatec is in shambles, my friend......tell every ostomate you know about your Convatec experience.
 
Please call convatec's wocn help line: 1-800-422-8811. Even though you've had an ostomy for a number of years, a stoma and the skin surrounding it is always changing. Your weight can change, the abdomen can change, and skin chemistry can change all effecting your ostomy appliance and how it adheres to your skin. We have over 20 Wound Ostomy Nurses who can sample you products that may work better for you. I am sorry to hear about your situation, but there let's work together to figure out a solution.
 
Please call convatec's wocn help line: 1-800-422-8811. Even though you've had an ostomy for a number of years, a stoma and the skin surrounding it is always changing. Your weight can change, the abdomen can change, and skin chemistry can change all effecting your ostomy appliance and how it adheres to your skin. We have over 20 Wound Ostomy Nurses who can sample you products that may work better for you. I am sorry to hear about your situation, but there let's work together to figure out a solution.

Good advice, but plan on l-o-n-g hold times before you speak to one of our advisers.
 
Re: NOT Happy With Convatec

This is a letter I send off to Convatec this evening.....

Hello:

Let me start of by saying I was born with an Ostomy...I have learned
to deal with it, all of my 47 years of life. I have managed to cope
pretty well......I have seen changes in Ostomy supplies...some
good......

I like to be ensure that when I wear a Convatec product that I should
be at ease thinking the product won't leak......but lately there's
just been too many times.....and it's no fault of mine....The pouches
have small enough holes in them to leak and it's not where the wrafer
is located at.

Last week, while out....started leaking....I had to go home and change
the pouch...the same one i put on that very same morning...

This evening I went to change my pouch...I notice I only had one
left...I went to the phone to place my order at a my local drug
store....my order will be ready after 10:00, tomorrow morning....NOW I
admit....it's my fault that I should have placed an order
earlier.......but that's besides the point.

I went on to changed my pouch.......it wasn't even 30 minute and I
notice that I was wet...the pouch leaked!!!!!!!!!!!!....so here I hm,
dealing with this problem all night and I have an appointment first
thing in the morningat 9:30......


I am NOT happy at all....I should be able to trust your product to get
me throught a few days, without worrying about any leakage, in the
bag....the leaked is so small...I don't even know where it is on the
bag itself.


I'm upset, mad...disappointed........the high cost of these puches and
they mostly LEAKED!!!! The last time I had this problem....I did get a
replacement box, from your company......which is kind..and THEN I got
on your mailing list........BUT WHY do I and others have to go through
the problems of living on the edge, thinking am I'm going to make it
through the day, without the darn pouches leaking that we purchased
from YOUR company....it's not fair....it's big company charging us
big prices for, at times cheap product.

For the record...I keep my pouches in a cool place, and they usally
last me a month or two....I'm not sure how long they sit on the shelf
of your company or the drug stores.

I have to be honest in saying that I can't trust your product and I
will let others know....if I can...I will try another
company....that's how upset I am!!

Letter goes with private information.....

Try Coloplast. Much better quality (Trust me). Call their 800 number for samples.
 
Please call convatec's wocn help line: 1-800-422-8811. Even though you've had an ostomy for a number of years, a stoma and the skin surrounding it is always changing. Your weight can change, the abdomen can change, and skin chemistry can change all effecting your ostomy appliance and how it adheres to your skin. We have over 20 Wound Ostomy Nurses who can sample you products that may work better for you. I am sorry to hear about your situation, but there let's work together to figure out a solution.

Typical ConvaTec response. "It's your fault - your body changed blah, blah, skin chemistry".

If you read closely (which you obviously didn't) the writer states...."and it's no fault of mine....The pouches have small enough holes in them to leak and it's not where the wrafer (sic)
is located at".

Dipshit
 
Hey person with no heart,

If you had a heart, you would realize this person really needs help instead everyone on tis board just complains and whines. This person needs help and I offered it to them. And just so you know not every problem is what it seems to be. So a WOCN can help this person figure out what the issue is and provide a solution. Stop whining! I work here to help people...you however encounter a person with an ostomy writing on our board and decide to gripe and bitch and not try to help.
 
Hey person with no heart,

If you had a heart, you would realize this person really needs help instead everyone on tis board just complains and whines. This person needs help and I offered it to them. And just so you know not every problem is what it seems to be. So a WOCN can help this person figure out what the issue is and provide a solution. Stop whining! I work here to help people...you however encounter a person with an ostomy writing on our board and decide to gripe and bitch and not try to help.

When I read "if you had a heart", for a fleeting moment I'm thinking this is you, Ron, extending a hand to a customer, just like you helped the TM whom you stepped over and around in San Diego. Good luck infecting the next place dumb enough to hire you. Bring Mikey Dann along with you, too, PLEASE.
 
Hey person with no heart,

If you had a heart, you would realize this person really needs help instead everyone on tis board just complains and whines. This person needs help and I offered it to them. And just so you know not every problem is what it seems to be. So a WOCN can help this person figure out what the issue is and provide a solution. Stop whining! I work here to help people...you however encounter a person with an ostomy writing on our board and decide to gripe and bitch and not try to help.

You help them by fixing the product (or sending them to another brand). Not by offering advice from ConvaTec paid ET nurses. Again, if you read their post, you'd notice that this person has had an ostomy for years (47 I believe they say). This person doesn't need advice from Convatec ET's. They need a product that's not defective. Were this person new to the Ostomy world - I think your advice would have been good. But this clearly isn't the case.

So, maybe I don't have a heart - but at least I don't have my head in the sand and I can spot manufacturing defects when I see evidence of them.
 
Former CVT rep here now working for Hollister. We would love to hear from you. We can provide you legal guidelines on how to recoup your money from ConvaTec. You are not the first person this has ever happened to and most certainly not the last. I am sure you have read these boards and ConvTec was a reputable company but greed and ineptness has ruined this company. If you tell me where you are located I can have a Hollister rep contact you. We are by far the best Ostomy product out there for the money.

For those of you at CVT please just go away and hide in shame. Pathetic! BTW we all want to know how your consulting company is teaching you how to sell? Are you guys doing role playing? PATHETIC
 
Having observed Convatec since our August 1 (2008) spin-off from BMS, I'm left with the stark realization that a group of eunuchs could manage a gang bang better than how we're being managed by the clods in Skillman or by most of our dim-witted RSMs for that matter. Agree? Disagree?
 
Well who could possibly disagree? Has anything good happened in the last year? Aside from RG getting fired of course. It's been one disaster after another. In fact, if you look back just one year it's hard to believe how far we've fallen just do to incompetent leadership. It really seems like they were trying. In any case I believe we're no longer in a recoverable state. Even with better leadership, products, training... it's too late. Too many reps have left, all morale has been killed, we're severely under-compensated, and our doors are wide open to competition.
 
Well who could possibly disagree? Has anything good happened in the last year? Aside from RG getting fired of course. It's been one disaster after another. In fact, if you look back just one year it's hard to believe how far we've fallen just do to incompetent leadership. It really seems like they were trying. In any case I believe we're no longer in a recoverable state. Even with better leadership, products, training... it's too late. Too many reps have left, all morale has been killed, we're severely under-compensated, and our doors are wide open to competition.

Absolutely right on! I am leaving ConvaTec right after Labor Day, will give notice in a few weeks. Right now, using up vacation time, resting, and recovering from sadistic torture from both my rsm (a real dummy, too) and the ConvaTec "experience"--which has been a nightmare.
 
Way too late. Not only has the mental anguish stripped any TM of their goals to sell and be successful, but these useless reports that are required are a deal breaker. I have given my notice and will be exiting in 2 weeks
 
Has anyone read Popeye's one year anniversary memo about all the wonderful accomplishments of Convatec since we were cast off by BMS? What a crock! Everything is so great now, I'm bursting. NO mention of shitty sales results, enormous TM turnover rates, erosion of FFMS market share, the failure of VXC, and TOTAL loss of all TM morale. Way to go Dave. At least you did'nt talk about sailing, your sextant, or Virgin Airlines. Can't wait for the 2 year anniversary memo--if there is a Convatec a year from now.
 
Way too late. Not only has the mental anguish stripped any TM of their goals to sell and be successful, but these useless reports that are required are a deal breaker. I have given my notice and will be exiting in 2 weeks

I'm right behind you out the door. Good God, how could they f**k us up so bad and so thoroughly in such a short time???
 


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