Has anyone been called back for a face to face interview with Actavis?


Legacy reps do not stand a chance. You have people out there who have sold into all of your specialities, have won multiple awards, can cite PHARMA guidelines rote, multiple hospital formulary additions, understand and already know the formulary status of WC drugs. You sold B2B? That tells me you went to a 3rd tier school and did not do too well. WC is your only industry experience? That means you have been poorly trained and willing to do the wrong thing just to get a sale.
 
Legacy reps do not stand a chance. You have people out there who have sold into all of your specialities, have won multiple awards, can cite PHARMA guidelines rote, multiple hospital formulary additions, understand and already know the formulary status of WC drugs. You sold B2B? That tells me you went to a 3rd tier school and did not do too well. WC is your only industry experience? That means you have been poorly trained and willing to do the wrong thing just to get a sale.

You are obviously a tool with no friends. Grow up. You are unrealistic. It's pathetic.
 
You are obviously a tool with no friends. Grow up. You are unrealistic. It's pathetic.

I see Latin was not in your curriculum at Midwest State Teachers College.

ad hom·i·nem (hm-nm, -nm)
adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives.
[Latin : ad, to + hominem, accusative of hom, man.]
ad homi·nem adv.
Usage Note: As the principal meaning of the preposition ad suggests, the homo of ad hominem was originally the person to whom an argument was addressed, not its subject. The phrase denoted an argument designed to appeal to the listener's emotions rather than to reason, as in the sentence The Republicans' evocation of pity for the small farmer struggling to maintain his property is a purely ad hominem argument for reducing inheritance taxes. This usage appears to be waning; only 37 percent of the Usage Panel finds this sentence acceptable. The phrase now chiefly describes an argument based on the failings of an adversary rather than on the merits of the case: Ad hominem attacks on one's opponent are a tried-and-true strategy for people who have a case that is weak. Ninety percent of the Panel finds this sentence acceptable. The expression now also has a looser use in referring to any personal attack, whether or not it is part of an argument, as in It isn't in the best interests of the nation for the press to attack him in this personal, ad hominem way. This use is acceptable to 65 percent of the Panel. · Ad hominem has also recently acquired a use as a noun denoting personal attacks, as in "Notwithstanding all the ad hominem, Gingrich insists that he and Panetta can work together" (Washington Post). This usage may raise some eyebrows, though it appears to be gaining ground in journalistic style. · A modern coinage patterned on ad hominem is ad feminam, as in "Its treatment of Nabokov and its ad feminam attack on his wife Vera often border on character assassination" (Simon Karlinsky). Though some would argue that this neologism is unnecessary because the Latin word homo refers to humans generically, rather than to the male sex, in some contexts ad feminam has a more specific meaning than ad hominem, being used to describe attacks on women as women or because they are women, as in "Their recourse ... to ad feminam attacks evidences the chilly climate for women's leadership on campus" (Donna M. Riley).
 
I see Latin was not in your curriculum at Midwest State Teachers College.

ad hom·i·nem (hm-nm, -nm)
adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives.
[Latin : ad, to + hominem, accusative of hom, man.]
ad homi·nem adv.
Usage Note: As the principal meaning of the preposition ad suggests, the homo of ad hominem was originally the person to whom an argument was addressed, not its subject. The phrase denoted an argument designed to appeal to the listener's emotions rather than to reason, as in the sentence The Republicans' evocation of pity for the small farmer struggling to maintain his property is a purely ad hominem argument for reducing inheritance taxes. This usage appears to be waning; only 37 percent of the Usage Panel finds this sentence acceptable. The phrase now chiefly describes an argument based on the failings of an adversary rather than on the merits of the case: Ad hominem attacks on one's opponent are a tried-and-true strategy for people who have a case that is weak. Ninety percent of the Panel finds this sentence acceptable. The expression now also has a looser use in referring to any personal attack, whether or not it is part of an argument, as in It isn't in the best interests of the nation for the press to attack him in this personal, ad hominem way. This use is acceptable to 65 percent of the Panel. · Ad hominem has also recently acquired a use as a noun denoting personal attacks, as in "Notwithstanding all the ad hominem, Gingrich insists that he and Panetta can work together" (Washington Post). This usage may raise some eyebrows, though it appears to be gaining ground in journalistic style. · A modern coinage patterned on ad hominem is ad feminam, as in "Its treatment of Nabokov and its ad feminam attack on his wife Vera often border on character assassination" (Simon Karlinsky). Though some would argue that this neologism is unnecessary because the Latin word homo refers to humans generically, rather than to the male sex, in some contexts ad feminam has a more specific meaning than ad hominem, being used to describe attacks on women as women or because they are women, as in "Their recourse ... to ad feminam attacks evidences the chilly climate for women's leadership on campus" (Donna M. Riley).

Lol. Wow. This is laughable to say the least. This illustrates to me that A) you have no life or friends. B) there is a now a clear and concise reason you are just an average sales rep. C) you can copy and paste well (seriously, great job. You highlight, copy and paste like no ones business). And finally, D) you have no life.

Were you the kid in college that always showed up 15 minutes early and asked the ridiculous questions that everyone already knew the answers to and the ones that everyone could care less about? Yea, I hated your type. How was living at home in the basement with your "roommates"?
 
I see Latin was not in your curriculum at Midwest State Teachers College.

ad hom·i·nem (hm-nm, -nm)
adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives.
[Latin : ad, to + hominem, accusative of hom, man.]
ad homi·nem adv.
Usage Note: As the principal meaning of the preposition ad suggests, the homo of ad hominem was originally the person to whom an argument was addressed, not its subject. The phrase denoted an argument designed to appeal to the listener's emotions rather than to reason, as in the sentence The Republicans' evocation of pity for the small farmer struggling to maintain his property is a purely ad hominem argument for reducing inheritance taxes. This usage appears to be waning; only 37 percent of the Usage Panel finds this sentence acceptable. The phrase now chiefly describes an argument based on the failings of an adversary rather than on the merits of the case: Ad hominem attacks on one's opponent are a tried-and-true strategy for people who have a case that is weak. Ninety percent of the Panel finds this sentence acceptable. The expression now also has a looser use in referring to any personal attack, whether or not it is part of an argument, as in It isn't in the best interests of the nation for the press to attack him in this personal, ad hominem way. This use is acceptable to 65 percent of the Panel. · Ad hominem has also recently acquired a use as a noun denoting personal attacks, as in "Notwithstanding all the ad hominem, Gingrich insists that he and Panetta can work together" (Washington Post). This usage may raise some eyebrows, though it appears to be gaining ground in journalistic style. · A modern coinage patterned on ad hominem is ad feminam, as in "Its treatment of Nabokov and its ad feminam attack on his wife Vera often border on character assassination" (Simon Karlinsky). Though some would argue that this neologism is unnecessary because the Latin word homo refers to humans generically, rather than to the male sex, in some contexts ad feminam has a more specific meaning than ad hominem, being used to describe attacks on women as women or because they are women, as in "Their recourse ... to ad feminam attacks evidences the chilly climate for women's leadership on campus" (Donna M. Riley).

Did this really just happen?? HAHAHA!!!!
 
Lol. Wow. This is laughable to say the least. This illustrates to me that A) you have no life or friends. B) there is a now a clear and concise reason you are just an average sales rep. C) you can copy and paste well (seriously, great job. You highlight, copy and paste like no ones business). And finally, D) you have no life.

Were you the kid in college that always showed up 15 minutes early and asked the ridiculous questions that everyone already knew the answers to and the ones that everyone could care less about? Yea, I hated your type. How was living at home in the basement with your "roommates"?

Tough guy! Must be very proud of that Enterprise, Paychex, copier experience! Let me guess, you went to a direction school. Was it Western or Eastern?
 
Tough guy! Must be very proud of that Enterprise, Paychex, copier experience! Let me guess, you went to a direction school. Was it Western or Eastern?

Again, king cliche is back at it again! Did you just copy/paste that from 100 other posts that try to make the same ridiculous insult. I've never been involved with those companies or kind of sales, but it's hilarious how they get tossed around. But seriously, you have no life. It's further confirmed by the last answer, you obviously read too much CafePharma
 
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I'd just like to chime in here and state that I have been with several Pharma companies during my career and I've noticed that former Enterprise employees always seem to be at the top of the rankings. Are you trying to use past experience at Enterprise as an insult?
 
Re: Has anyone been called back for a face to face interview with Actavis

I'd just like to chime in here and state that I have been with several Pharma companies during my career and I've noticed that former Enterprise employees always seem to be at the top of the rankings. Are you trying to use past experience at Enterprise as an insult?

Lol. I love it. Yes, this person was attempting to insult with an average, over used line. Goes with his/her average salesmanship and average career. Pretty boring..
 
Legacy reps do not stand a chance. You have people out there who have sold into all of your specialities, have won multiple awards, can cite PHARMA guidelines rote, multiple hospital formulary additions, understand and already know the formulary status of WC drugs. You sold B2B? That tells me you went to a 3rd tier school and did not do too well. WC is your only industry experience? That means you have been poorly trained and willing to do the wrong thing just to get a sale.


All except the "3rd tier..." zinger, are spot on.
 
Tough guy! Must be very proud of that Enterprise, Paychex, copier experience! Let me guess, you went to a direction school. Was it Western or Eastern?

I agree with you on a lot of issues, but what difference does it make which school he went to? If you have enough experience, no one cares, as long as you have the BA/BS at a minimum. If you did not attend an IVY or some other top 25 school no one cares its all the same. IF youve been out of school for more the 3-5 years, then no one really cares; its your experienc that gets you opportunity, NOT you school (unless you are a recent grad).

Lastly, assuming he did go to a "horrible" school; well he is here doing the same exact job as you, and probably with 10% of your loan debt. Who is the fool ?

Stop reading those useless college rankings; unless its top 25 (mainly IVY), a good school is one that offers a degree.
 
Re: Has anyone been called back for a face to face interview with Actavis

I'd just like to chime in here and state that I have been with several Pharma companies during my career and I've noticed that former Enterprise employees always seem to be at the top of the rankings. Are you trying to use past experience at Enterprise as an insult?

Most pharma companies hire mainly experienced reps; WC was the total opposite, they only hired very young B2B or new grads. Therefore they have a "rough around the edges" sales force; very unpolished. These are the folks who then became DMs in 18 months, and become the sales leadership. Very unpolished and unprofessional, thats all.

BTW, I have been in this industry for 23 years, and have never seen any other organization made up almost exclusively of reps with very recent ERAC, Copier, ADP, Health club, etc sales people, NEVER! Just go on the boards and look at the ads. Even Actavis is requiring AT LEAST two years of pharma experience.

If your entire sales force is made of copier reps, you have a problem.
 
I agree with you on a lot of issues, but what difference does it make which school he went to? If you have enough experience, no one cares, as long as you have the BA/BS at a minimum. If you did not attend an IVY or some other top 25 school no one cares its all the same. IF youve been out of school for more the 3-5 years, then no one really cares; its your experienc that gets you opportunity, NOT you school (unless you are a recent grad).

Lastly, assuming he did go to a "horrible" school; well he is here doing the same exact job as you, and probably with 10% of your loan debt. Who is the fool ?

Stop reading those useless college rankings; unless its top 25 (mainly IVY), a good school is one that offers a degree.

What difference does it make? Because the market is flooded with diploma mill degrees. And BTW, made it through on my own with zero debt. If you get loaded down with debt to get a BS you tied your own noose. But back to experience, from the word on the street the company is cleaning house. The WC infestation is so great that there is less risk in hiring all new people rather than start with OIG problems.
 
Re: Has anyone been called back for a face to face interview with Actavis

Most pharma companies hire mainly experienced reps; WC was the total opposite, they only hired very young B2B or new grads. Therefore they have a "rough around the edges" sales force; very unpolished. These are the folks who then became DMs in 18 months, and become the sales leadership. Very unpolished and unprofessional, thats all.

BTW, I have been in this industry for 23 years, and have never seen any other organization made up almost exclusively of reps with very recent ERAC, Copier, ADP, Health club, etc sales people, NEVER! Just go on the boards and look at the ads. Even Actavis is requiring AT LEAST two years of pharma experience.

If your entire sales force is made of copier reps, you have a problem.

Congrats, you are in your early 50's and still working I presume? For WC? God I hope I'm not you when I get to your age! Fucking loser. Don't brag about your 23 years experience, that is more pathetic than most of what I've seen in here thus far.
 
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Congrats, you are in your early 50's and still working I presume? For WC? God I hope I'm not you when I get to your age! Fucking loser. Don't brag about your 23 years experience, that is more pathetic than most of what I've seen in here thus far.

Sorry, Im not a rep! Been there and done that! Im glad Im not in YOUR position!
 
Re: Has anyone been called back for a face to face interview with Actavis

Sorry, Im not a rep! Been there and done that! Im glad Im not in YOUR position!

Then quit coming on our board and acting like one! Grow up. And you have no idea what position I'm in! Trust me when I say this, Pharma rep is a secondary job for me. What I have going on will ensure I don't end up like you in my 50's cruising CafePharma. Now, I agree with above poster, let's circle back around to the topic. No one cares to see a dick measuring contest through CP.
 


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