Parietex Mesh

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I just stumbled onto this board looking for answers and I hope I can find some here. In March of 07 I had a piece of perietex mesh implanted iiin my left groin are due to an inguanal (I hope I spelled that right) hernia. About 2weeks after the surgery I started to experience alot of left groin and left testicle discomfort and sensitivity so much sensitivity in fact that if my hand or even clothing would grace the testicle it would send me threw the roof along with a constant throbbing sensation. I was constantly in and out of the doctors office, in and out of work and on and of pain medicine (along with nerve block injections). Finally around month 6 the doctor kept me out of work, told me to take it easy and if things didn't clear up that the only way to solve all of my pain was to have the left testicle removed (which I didn't understand since I didn't have surgery there). I was also sent for tests,an MRI on my back to make sure my back wasn't causing the issue and it came back negative, a doppler ultrasound of the groin and testicle to make sure there was proper blood flow, came back negative and last but not least I had a cyscostopy done to make sure I didn't have a jammed kidney stone (which I do have a very long history of them) or prostititis.Wellon this one the found I did have prostititis and put me on cipro and naproxen for the swelling and they pushed it down my neck that this was the cause. Well after 2 mounths on the medicine none of my signs cleared up and it was back to sqaure one after that it wasnt much longer till i was told I was making it up and it was just because I wanted pain meds! so as you might think I got mad and found another doc. After this new doc sent me for and MRI to see what he was dealing with in there he stated to me that he had never seen so many tacs holding this kind of mesh in place (28 to be exact) and he told me I had three options, 1 stay on meds and go for shots for the rest of my life, 2 he would go in and remove the mesh and replace it with a piece of human skin, 3 operateon my back and cut the inguanal nerve. I had already been threw step one so weopted for step 2 which I had done 3 months ago. Here is where it gets better. 24 hours after the surgery I turned black and blue from my left thigh threwout my groin and down my right thigh with unbelievable swelling in the scrodal area, I was then hospitalized for 5 days till the swelling went down and the pain got under control but since this doc claimed the mesh bonded itself to all my nerves and blodd vessels I ended up loosing allblood flow to my left testicle which I am going to have surgery this upcoming Tuesday to have it removed, the testicle that is (talk about a kick in the teeth,I did everything I could not to have the testicle removed and to get rid of the pain and now I'm loosing it anyway with even more pain than before!) and maybe it wouldn't have been that bad if I had the mesh removed sooner but the original doc told me he wouldn't do anything until a year had lapsed and to do alot of walking so like a fool I never looked for another doc and listened and now I'm facing a ton of pain for the rest of my life and the loss of my testicle not to mention anything else that creeps up from this point forward. So after this very long story I just dumped on everyone (I'm sorry but I'm very thankful you all took the time to read it cause I'm very upset over it all and need answers) where do I go from here? Is there any kind of recall on this stuff? Do I go and get a lawyer (believe me I am not a person that sues, I even hate the thought of it but I have tried everything I could and I'm the one that is going to hurt for the rest of my life and maybe never be able to work again and I know everyone makes mistakes and doctors are no different)? Is there anything I should be checking for from this point forward or telling my doctor to send me for special test because not only am I very upset over it I'm scared to death so much so I have been rushed to the hospital many times for panic attacks the literally paralize me because this is all I think about. Please any help anyone can provide me I greatly appreciate it and say thank you from the bottom of my heart cause I just want to have a normal life again and be able to play with my son with no more pain! I'm sorry if there is any misspelling or run on sentences, the more I typed the more upset i got and it affected my typing I'm sure. If there is anything I can answer to help you guys give me answers or if I can help someone else out with what happened to me just post here and I'llrespond ASAP. Thank you allagain ever so much!
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I would get a lawyer and go after the doc who implanted the mesh in you and then refused to consider taking it out for so long. I WOULD ONLY DO THIS on a CONTINGENT basis - meaning if you don't get any money, the lawyer doesn't get any money. I am sorry for what happened to you - that is an insanely messed up story.
 


Anonymous said:
FACT: Regardless of how Davol grows their business, they still grow.

FACT: No patient has ever developed a fistula through ePTFE into polypropylene.

FACT: Several patients, as is currently displayed via the Maude database, have fistualized through pig collagen into Polyester.

FACT: Davol reps make over 200k, and you are lucky to make 100. Great job converting 2 hospitals in a year.
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REAL FACT: Davol does grow business because they work contracts and appeal to lazy surgeon who want a quick fix, and do not care about long term effect on patients. There has never been a document fistual w/ePTFE but Bard products have caused many, many, fistulas. Not to metion ring breaks and other issues. Check the MAUDE data base and countless lawsuits. Everyone needs to wake up, there is no perfect mesh, that's why there are so many mfg's out there.
 


Nunzio is a blow hard said:
You are hiring Ivy League MBA's to be admins in various departments? Good luck thats as stupid and McCain saying "my fellow prisoners". The last guy was speaking of OR reps. This must be Nunzio that Koolaide drinking blowhard.......
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Covidien hiring college graduates is true. They actually have an inside sales team where these people start out and after at least 2 years when an opportunity becomes available they are given the option to move out into the field. As for an MBA recipient being an admin assistant, never heard of that program.

In regards to the 100k. All reps in Auto and Syneture make a minimum of 100k though a good first year number is 120-130k, while hernia is between 130-150k first year. There are many reps who make 200k with some even in the 300k arena, but hey Davol knows everything...allegedly.
 


Anonymous said:
All of this is your jaded opinion. I see nothing in your babling that is indeed, "Fact", as you stated before.

What major acct did you lose recently to cause you to come cry on a chat board? Get over it, even though I'm a Covidien rep, there is still the reality that we're talking about mesh here. It's not the cure for AIDS.

Btw, we DO have data showing low rates of infection. Give me your address and I'll send them to you. And Parietex is the answer for synthetic hernia repair, go ask one of our many supporters.
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I've got one for all of you; why does polyester lose 1/3 of it's tensil strength at 10 years and 100% between the 22 and 25 years? Young patients under age 50 beware!!! Covidien only sells products because they hire some of the slimiest used car salesmen in the world, buy off surgeons with fellow grants and only have a few hospitals to call on! Who heard of sofradim or parietex before the marketing sleeze balls said it "was Good mesh." It is allows tacks to go through it when fired, has to be rolled with the barrier facing in or it will rub off (it always does) and then bowl will certainly attract to it, it's adhesion rate on a good day is around 18%, sutures tear through it, the multifilament harbors bacteria and it is subject to have midline tears if you cough too hard! Chronic inflammation is another item, "it never goes away with polyester of polypropylene! That's why "light weight" mesh was invented to reduce the amount of chronic inflammation, but it doesn't work, it just weakens the mesh! Dualmesh "NEVER a REPORTED case of Bowel erosion or fistulization in the life of the mesh!!!! Only mesh on the market with an antimicrobial protection added to the mesh, you can't tear it, it won't split in half, ingrowth is the same if not greater than polyester without the chronic inflammation, more journal articles and research than all other meshes put together, the reps are not jerks and if looking for the safest mesh on the planet with not chronic issues due to the inert properties of the chemical composition and did I mention the highest melting point of all meshes with the strongest fluorine/carbon backbone! Do I need to keep going??? 3151 patient study, 1.1% infection rate, 4.3% reccurence rate, cut it stretch it, roll it, slap it, it doesn't matter it won't break, bend or stick to bowel! More Key opinion leader support than any other mesh, add them up. Next time your mom has surgery, don't let those surgeons that shower with parietex touch her because you know they are in bed with covidien and using a second rate product!!!!!!
 


yea, great product...thats why almost no surgeon in thier right mind would use the stuff anymore...dont know about you but a mesh that contracts and folds to the point where it looks like a tortilla chip doesnt really seem all that appealling to me..
 




Anonymous said:
I would get a lawyer and go after the doc who implanted the mesh in you and then refused to consider taking it out for so long. I WOULD ONLY DO THIS on a CONTINGENT basis - meaning if you don't get any money, the lawyer doesn't get any money. I am sorry for what happened to you - that is an insanely messed up story.
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Sounds like alot of tacks in the pelvis. Most likely youve got nerves intrapped by one or more of the tacks. I would have someone who is comfortable removing these tacks remove as many as possible as well as the mesh. Replace synthetic mesh with biologic product.
 


cousin 4 dome mesh will take care of all issues you discuss. be on the lookout ..... Just like the Parietex mesh, and the versport , and protack just to mention a few came through independents before you bought , this will also . So we will make our 30% to 40% comish as long as we have it . Boys earn some real money and go out on your own so you can earn 500 k on an average year if you have the relationships and several lines . But we don't get company cars so ......
well you got the point have fun in all your little regional meetings , and remember to always kiss the pinky ring
 


Take a Bow
Damn just look at the Evidence Based Medicine, Iternational Journal of Investigative Medicine for over 7 years. Ok.. All those doctors are totally wrong.... Shi* you're right.

And the sad story - suture intraption of nerves or vessels - happends - Sometimes Doc's fault.

And please.. learn from good sources not from messageboard.

And yes, polyester as material had problems... but 20 years ago - not even sofradim meshes.
Oh, my god, so funny stuff you're saying...

10 years of Parietex on the market, Clinical studies with more than 5000 patiens with no reccurrence and accidents less than 0,1% .... compare to ePTFE.... compare to normal PP.... If it would be bad - surely it would be gone from the market by now.
 


I am in surgical sales, but not in the mesh game. I have inquired a few places about this, because hernia's are pretty common and it can be a big surgeon preference headache to standardize on one brand of mesh. I'm just curious to know what else is going on in the market.

Generally, I see a lot of surgeons liking the parietex and its handling properties. Those that are resistant to using another matieral instead of polypro either go with Bard, Ethicon or Parietene products. Covidien seems to be promoting that there is better tissue integration with the Parietex than polypropalene mesh. Bard and Ethicon seem to be trying to use the failure of Merselene(sp) and connect the dots to this product as a reason to stay with polypro.

Kind of reminds me of that reality show "The Bachelor" where a bunch of women bitch at each other and think of reasons why the other is no good for the guy on the show. Trashy but entertaining.
 


I was scheduled for an incisional hernia repair next Monday. The doctor told me yesterday that he used PTFE mesh. I called the office today to ask the brand name- PARIETEX ! I told the nurse that it was polyester not PTFE and she said well there's different kinds of parietex??
I think this is one of those guys in bed with Covidien. The only way they can sell it is if they tell you it's PFTE. NOT
 




WOW. READING EVERYONES COMMENTS IS ENTERESTING. I HAVE THE MESH IN ME NOW FOR 4 YEARS. AFTER BACK SURGURY ARTIFICAL DISC PUT IN THROUGH MY STOMACH. I HAVE 3 HERNIA REPAIRS DONE ON ME AND THEY DID NOT REPLACE THE MESH. THE SAME ONE IS IN FROM THE FIRST SURGURY. I AM STILL IN PAIN IN THAT AREA AND MY STOMACH IS SOOOO DEFORMED. THE DOCTORS DO NOT CARE AND LAWYERS DO NOT CARE. I AM 38 AND DEFORMED FROM THE MESH AND HAVE MULTIPAL SCARES ON MY STOMACH I AM SCREWED. IT HAS BEEN A MEDICAL NIGHTMARE. I LOST MY CLEANING BUSINESS AND I STILL AM UNEMPLOYED FROM THESE SURGURYS. I BELIEVE THERE IS A SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR DOCTORS AND LAWYERS. SO ENJOY YOUR MONEY WHILE YOU CAN.
 


I was implanted with parietex composite in 2008. After the wound never healing from surgery they did an exploratory in 2011 to find the cause of infection and guess what? A piece of dislocated infected perietex mesh was found harboring the infection. the infection had tunneled all over my abdomen and when they finally finished with surgery there was a crevice in my abdomen as big around as a large grapefruit and asdeep as a tennis ball. Thanks DOC
 




THERE SEEMS TO BE SO MANY WAYS LAWYERS ARE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, AND USING THE MEDICAL SCARE TACTICS SEEMS TO BE PUTTING MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS- PATIENTS BE WARE> ALL THE NEW PRODUCTS OUT THERE-RECALLS ON MESH PRODUCTS, VAGINAL MESH, HERNIA MESH. WHAT DO THE DR'S DO- WHO CAN THEY TRUST- IS IT REALLY THEIR FAULT OR THE GOVERNMENT'S FOR LETTING THESE ON THE MARKETS FOR SURGERY? aND WHAT ARE WE AS PATIENTS SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN WE SEE THIS STUFF ON TV? MY MESS IS ONE AND A HALF YEARS OLD-WHEN SHOULD I PANIC-OR CALL A LAWYER> ALL CONFUSING
 


Hello all,
I am not here to attack anyone, I just wanted to share and wee if anything could be done. I had a Nissan Fundoplication in 2010 which developed into an incisional hernia. it was found that Parietex 15x15cm needed to be used because the colon and omentum as well as part of the liver stuck in the hernia.

The hernia has not reappeared, however since that point I have been in constant pain both on the incisional line as well as the anchor points. I have been to see several surgeons regarding this matter and have now been told I will "just have to live with it."

I am surprised there have not been any of those lawyer commercials about this, they only want the human tissue mesh.
 


Standard Parietex is just like any other run of the mill mesh. Sounds like things were more related to the patient's case than the implant. You could implant a mosquito net (sterilized of course) and have similar outcomes (both positive and negative). On a side note, this is why covidien hates hernia: Every product from every company essentially does the job well enough.
 


Anonymous said:
Standard Parietex is just like any other run of the mill mesh. Sounds like things were more related to the patient's case than the implant. You could implant a mosquito net (sterilized of course) and have similar outcomes (both positive and negative). On a side note, this is why covidien hates hernia: Every product from every company essentially does the job well enough.
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yep, mesh is mesh. Comes down to patient tolerance and surgeon skill. plain & simple
 





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