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Consider yourself a bit behind the times. I myself have been on one for a while and know of many more that have been for weeks or even months. If yours is anything like mine, the expectations are completely out of line and will be impossible to meet. These are mechanisms for management to simply weed out their least favorites. My numbers are above average for our district and region and there are many people behind me that are not on PIPS. The harassment from above will be hard to deal with it but do your best to not let them get to you. This place does not define you and certainly is no measure of your ability to sell.
 
Heard that 1 person in our district and 2 people in a nearby district just got placed on PIPs. All 3 are Hysingla reps but I sure that is just coincidence. Not.

All 3 have impossible goals to achieve. All 3 have 60 days to meet those impossible goals or else they are gone from PP with no severance and no layoff provisions.

Perhaps Upper Management realizes that PP doesn't need much of a personnel head count for the Me 3 drug Symproic (hence PIPs and firing reps). All smart PP reps know how PP regularly screws up product launches (Ryzolt, Spectracef, Intermezzo, Pallindome, Hysingla) and surely Symproic will be no different.

Prediction? Things get a lotttt worse for PP before things get better. Expect more people voluntarily leaving and expect more PIPs in the future.
 
People on pip who do not meet goals will be fired. They have already fired people with no fairness as not rolled out nationally. You current pip ers are late to the party. No excuses, just meet the demands or you are toast. And they wonder why people are leaving in droves. What's the turnover rate Suzie??
 
anonymous said:
People on pip who do not meet goals will be fired. They have already fired people with no fairness as not rolled out nationally. You current pip ers are late to the party. No excuses, just meet the demands or you are toast. And they wonder why people are leaving in droves. What's the turnover rate Suzie??
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Here is some advice if you are on a PIP !! (From one who was on one, and now am a former emplooyee that got 2 weeks of vaca pay as my severence.

1) leave asap ! Find another job !
2) if u wanna stay or have trouble finding a job, FIGHT ! Make sure u have complied diligently to achieve the unrealistic goals u have been tasked with AND make your concerns about their validity known to HR, your DM, your RM.
3) see #2 ). Dont give in to being bullied. HR will look to support mgmts case ! The more VALID noise you make, the more resistance HR will create for the mgmt that wants to fire u. MAKE them explain how metrics can be met ! - every detail !!! Explain the flaws in KPI metrics in EXTREME detail. HR doesnt understand them - hell, Im not sure in my issue if the DM or RM even understood them. And C2 likes to create PIP goals so they are not readily interpreted by what we as reps have access to.
4). Keep in mind, in my case, this was a layoff without severnce ! My territory and another have been realigned into two other remaining territories.
5) HR is not on your side. Be the squeaky wheel. If you are on a PIP (and maybe even a PEP), the line in the sand has been drawn. The goals they set for you may or may not be mathmatically possible to achieve. You will be FIRED if you do not hit ALL of them ! The target is on you and the guns are being loaded. Do not be lulled into a false sense of security because u are achieving most of the goals. This is an all or nothing fight. And in my case, fairness and reality were completely disregarded.
- do not be lulled into false sense of security
If u are being left alone or r even getting good FCRs on ride withs !
6) get an atty if u really want to fight - if u get fired and their logic is faulty you will likely obtain some type of settlement. The more noise u create for - the more likely they will be to leave u alone.
7) record every interaction u have with any member of mgmt and HR! Buy a recorder if u have to but u shld have phone app to capture.
In most states, only one person in a conversation has to be aware the conversation is being recorded. Even if inadmissble in court, it can help u recall exactly what was said.

Now onto if u do get canned :

Me - I was too tired to fight from years of mental abuse at purdue and gladly took my dismissal as a sign it was literally time for me to move on. I have not sued and doubtful I will. Too much negative energy for me to deal with and I belive God has something better for me in store !
BUT - some have. And the harder u make it for them, the more $ u may get. I know some who have kept the car, computer, etc.... as leverage. give it back to them when ur atty advises u !
But in everything just remember that Purdue C2 DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU in any fashion or form. And if u get fired, This is even
moreso. Fired by phone, email contact from then on. Noone returned calls regarding COBRA, car, pension.....you are a non person to Purdue at this point. And you now deal with complete incompetence to get things ( like COBRA) to actually pay for ins claims if u have them. Dont expect anything Purdue says will happen automatically (such as COBRA) kicking in without at least 3 phone calls to benefits concepts and Cigna who always report its an issue with Purdue !!! ??? !!! And Purdue isnt one bit interested in helping u in any way !

I am at peace with how i handled my termination. I hope you are are or may be if you face the crap I did. The once great company is gone. Im glad I am moving on as well ! I was really tired of the shit show ! I have no
Bitterness in my heart towards Purdue. But I reflect back on how it has changed over the last decade and can truly say, I am happy to be gone ! Even as I am currently enemployed and looking, I am glad to be gone.
I do have some disdain, however, for the DM ((DMs actually) and the RM that set this in motion. But I have no ill will towards them. I believe in Karma, and she can be a reall biotch at the most unsuspecting times.

Know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free !!
 
anonymous said:
Here is some advice if you are on a PIP !! (From one who was on one, and now am a former emplooyee that got 2 weeks of vaca pay as my severence.

1) leave asap ! Find another job !
2) if u wanna stay or have trouble finding a job, FIGHT ! Make sure u have complied diligently to achieve the unrealistic goals u have been tasked with AND make your concerns about their validity known to HR, your DM, your RM.
3) see #2 ). Dont give in to being bullied. HR will look to support mgmts case ! The more VALID noise you make, the more resistance HR will create for the mgmt that wants to fire u. MAKE them explain how metrics can be met ! - every detail !!! Explain the flaws in KPI metrics in EXTREME detail. HR doesnt understand them - hell, Im not sure in my issue if the DM or RM even understood them. And C2 likes to create PIP goals so they are not readily interpreted by what we as reps have access to.
4). Keep in mind, in my case, this was a layoff without severnce ! My territory and another have been realigned into two other remaining territories.
5) HR is not on your side. Be the squeaky wheel. If you are on a PIP (and maybe even a PEP), the line in the sand has been drawn. The goals they set for you may or may not be mathmatically possible to achieve. You will be FIRED if you do not hit ALL of them ! The target is on you and the guns are being loaded. Do not be lulled into a false sense of security because u are achieving most of the goals. This is an all or nothing fight. And in my case, fairness and reality were completely disregarded.
- do not be lulled into false sense of security
If u are being left alone or r even getting good FCRs on ride withs !
6) get an atty if u really want to fight - if u get fired and their logic is faulty you will likely obtain some type of settlement. The more noise u create for - the more likely they will be to leave u alone.
7) record every interaction u have with any member of mgmt and HR! Buy a recorder if u have to but u shld have phone app to capture.
In most states, only one person in a conversation has to be aware the conversation is being recorded. Even if inadmissble in court, it can help u recall exactly what was said.

Now onto if u do get canned :

Me - I was too tired to fight from years of mental abuse at purdue and gladly took my dismissal as a sign it was literally time for me to move on. I have not sued and doubtful I will. Too much negative energy for me to deal with and I belive God has something better for me in store !
BUT - some have. And the harder u make it for them, the more $ u may get. I know some who have kept the car, computer, etc.... as leverage. give it back to them when ur atty advises u !
But in everything just remember that Purdue C2 DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU in any fashion or form. And if u get fired, This is even
moreso. Fired by phone, email contact from then on. Noone returned calls regarding COBRA, car, pension.....you are a non person to Purdue at this point. And you now deal with complete incompetence to get things ( like COBRA) to actually pay for ins claims if u have them. Dont expect anything Purdue says will happen automatically (such as COBRA) kicking in without at least 3 phone calls to benefits concepts and Cigna who always report its an issue with Purdue !!! ??? !!! And Purdue isnt one bit interested in helping u in any way !

I am at peace with how i handled my termination. I hope you are are or may be if you face the crap I did. The once great company is gone. Im glad I am moving on as well ! I was really tired of the shit show ! I have no
Bitterness in my heart towards Purdue. But I reflect back on how it has changed over the last decade and can truly say, I am happy to be gone ! Even as I am currently enemployed and looking, I am glad to be gone.
I do have some disdain, however, for the DM ((DMs actually) and the RM that set this in motion. But I have no ill will towards them. I believe in Karma, and she can be a reall biotch at the most unsuspecting times.

Know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free !!
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Old Purdue took care of their people. THIS Purdue DOES NOT CARE ABOUT ANYONE!!! If you think otherwise, YOU ARE WRONG! You are now a NUMBER. You are now a LIABILITY. You are now a TEMPORARY piece of a dying machine. MT and LP are pieces of sheet. They are NOT qualified to run any organization and have proven this since the day they joined.

If you are betting that that things will get better at Purdue. YOU ARE WRONG
 
PIPs are being used solely to instill fear in a few reps per region ( actually more than a few ). From what I can tell performance is being used as the threat but many reps that are ranked far lower are being spared if they have kissed enough ass. So pucker up or move on out...this place has reached new lows...and thats hard to do around here.
 
anonymous said:
Here is some advice if you are on a PIP !! (From one who was on one, and now am a former emplooyee that got 2 weeks of vaca pay as my severence.

1) leave asap ! Find another job !
2) if u wanna stay or have trouble finding a job, FIGHT ! Make sure u have complied diligently to achieve the unrealistic goals u have been tasked with AND make your concerns about their validity known to HR, your DM, your RM.
3) see #2 ). Dont give in to being bullied. HR will look to support mgmts case ! The more VALID noise you make, the more resistance HR will create for the mgmt that wants to fire u. MAKE them explain how metrics can be met ! - every detail !!! Explain the flaws in KPI metrics in EXTREME detail. HR doesnt understand them - hell, Im not sure in my issue if the DM or RM even understood them. And C2 likes to create PIP goals so they are not readily interpreted by what we as reps have access to.
4). Keep in mind, in my case, this was a layoff without severnce ! My territory and another have been realigned into two other remaining territories.
5) HR is not on your side. Be the squeaky wheel. If you are on a PIP (and maybe even a PEP), the line in the sand has been drawn. The goals they set for you may or may not be mathmatically possible to achieve. You will be FIRED if you do not hit ALL of them ! The target is on you and the guns are being loaded. Do not be lulled into a false sense of security because u are achieving most of the goals. This is an all or nothing fight. And in my case, fairness and reality were completely disregarded.
- do not be lulled into false sense of security
If u are being left alone or r even getting good FCRs on ride withs !
6) get an atty if u really want to fight - if u get fired and their logic is faulty you will likely obtain some type of settlement. The more noise u create for - the more likely they will be to leave u alone.
7) record every interaction u have with any member of mgmt and HR! Buy a recorder if u have to but u shld have phone app to capture.
In most states, only one person in a conversation has to be aware the conversation is being recorded. Even if inadmissble in court, it can help u recall exactly what was said.

Now onto if u do get canned :

Me - I was too tired to fight from years of mental abuse at purdue and gladly took my dismissal as a sign it was literally time for me to move on. I have not sued and doubtful I will. Too much negative energy for me to deal with and I belive God has something better for me in store !
BUT - some have. And the harder u make it for them, the more $ u may get. I know some who have kept the car, computer, etc.... as leverage. give it back to them when ur atty advises u !
But in everything just remember that Purdue C2 DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU in any fashion or form. And if u get fired, This is even
moreso. Fired by phone, email contact from then on. Noone returned calls regarding COBRA, car, pension.....you are a non person to Purdue at this point. And you now deal with complete incompetence to get things ( like COBRA) to actually pay for ins claims if u have them. Dont expect anything Purdue says will happen automatically (such as COBRA) kicking in without at least 3 phone calls to benefits concepts and Cigna who always report its an issue with Purdue !!! ??? !!! And Purdue isnt one bit interested in helping u in any way !

I am at peace with how i handled my termination. I hope you are are or may be if you face the crap I did. The once great company is gone. Im glad I am moving on as well ! I was really tired of the shit show ! I have no
Bitterness in my heart towards Purdue. But I reflect back on how it has changed over the last decade and can truly say, I am happy to be gone ! Even as I am currently enemployed and looking, I am glad to be gone.
I do have some disdain, however, for the DM ((DMs actually) and the RM that set this in motion. But I have no ill will towards them. I believe in Karma, and she can be a reall biotch at the most unsuspecting times.

Know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free !!
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I can definitely relate to what you went through. I was fired in January for a seriously bogus and lame reason. I mean it was so petty and all it took was a little corrective action. After 6+ years with Purdue I never thought it would become so vicious. I outperformed my partner in every way the previous year. The partner was new however and had only been around for a little over a year. As a Butrans lead I still got more Hysingla prescriptions than my partner weekly. I had a higher percent to quota for Hysingla and was one of the top 3 in the district for Butrans as well. But I was laid off for a really bogus stupid reason. They really had to dig deep to find what they found and it was not even a serious matter.

I have been working commission only gigs since then. I've had two interviews with a two companies but unfortunately did not land those jobs (came very close according to one DM that interviewed me but lost out because the other rep that was chosen had a little more experience in the type of market I would have been selling in. DM called me afterwards and said I was going to be her guy for the job and she really liked me but ended up choosing the other person for that reason. She and I still keep in touch because she asked me to stay in touch with her).

Either way I am going to keep plugging away until I can land another full time salaried position. Just know that the new leadership (DBM, RBD, and upper management) you are working for at Purdue are absolutely vicious and could care less about you when they need to let someone go. If they want to find something to get you out of there they will dig until they find something no matter how minute it is. Its all business and is not the family atmosphere was when I joined many years ago.
 
I am sorry that things worked out that way. I am on my way out as well. I know it can be tough but keep your head up. You will soon see that being shown the door here was a blessing in disguise. Life is too short to let these people slowly drain you. Smile.
 
This PIP that I just got administered makes almost NO sense. Three quarters in a row of serious H growth. Ahead of more than half my team and half the Region in overall rankings both last year and for the beginning of this year. When I asked about it...I was told thats not my concern. Been nice working with you guys but I gotta get out while the getting is good.
 
My pip is about to end in 2 weeks. Anyone know how they end your employment? Will it be better to resign or be fired? Can I make a case for a layoff/severance? Should I contact a lawyer before I leave? I put together all the dirt I have on fellow reps and manager. Not enough for a whistleblower case but enough to make PP nervous. I have a few things in the works but nothing today.
 
anonymous said:
My pip is about to end in 2 weeks. Anyone know how they end your employment? Will it be better to resign or be fired? Can I make a case for a layoff/severance? Should I contact a lawyer before I leave? I put together all the dirt I have on fellow reps and manager. Not enough for a whistleblower case but enough to make PP nervous. I have a few things in the works but nothing today.
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How do u wanna go ? U wanna fight ? U wanna cause as much trble as possible ? U want $ in form of settlement ? Or do u wanna exit with a little class and look behind you and say "see ya" ??? Its a personal decision you alone will decide.

But if ur going for seveence or settlement, you need to get atty now and simply refer any and all calls concerning this matter to him. Let them know immediately of your atty, but dont tell em shit about "what you have on them". Let ur atty handle that. AND ... Id hope your fellow reps really have done something bad for you to gather info on them and use it for something like this. That is a real DICK move ! Just sayin....

Here is how mine went down !

I got a phone call on Friday after PIP date. Actually it was the Fri after the EV data for the PIP date came out which is one or two weeks after the actual PIP date. DM texted me and said, "conf. call at 1:00". Called in to conference at 1:00. DM and RM on line - RM read a 4 min scripted mssg. That said something like "as of this date, Purdue is terminating your employment. You will be paid thru the next two weeks, and have healh ins thru the end of the month." Asked me for pvt email add - and that was it !!! Its the last time I have spoken to anyone in mgmt or HR.

A contractor for fleet towing called and wanted to pick up car the next monday. I sent em a box with computer and literature crap in it per email instructions and that was IT !!! Attempted to call HR 2-3 times with COBRA ?s and noone ever called me back. After the phone call, you simply dont exist anymore to anyone in HR.
You will get COBRA info sent to u via usps in about a month after ur exit.

Handle it as u see fit. I know of one person who told em to go F themselves and they cld just talk to his atty - they kept car and computer for 4-5 mos until co agreed to a small settlement.

I could have done the same. Just not worth he negative energy it wld have required, imo, but
to each his own !

You can negotiate keeping the car for 1-2 mos ????. I let em have mine cause I had my own personal vehicle and I wanted their shit outta my house ! Btw - u shld use their gas card while u can. It cuts off at $250 in a single day, but u can get it going again the next day. Fill up ur boats, truck, spare gas tanks - hell - I even filled up an older ladies car who looked like she could really use a free tank. Look at it as purdue giving a little something back to society !

Still unemployed, Still glad Im gone !!!

The new Purdue SUX worse than the old Purdue ! Mgmt has its head so far up their ass, they will never see daylight again !
Purdue is a dogshit co and will never return to what it once was. MT, L Pilla , and Lil Dougey Pace - to call you idiots would heap praise upon your heads. Wonder where you will end up shortly ??? Cause if you think Symproic is gonna help your career..... you are just dumber than I think you are. But ...... go out and push your reps to sell that shit ! Lol lol lol
 
anonymous said:
My pip is about to end in 2 weeks. Anyone know how they end your employment? Will it be better to resign or be fired? Can I make a case for a layoff/severance? Should I contact a lawyer before I leave? I put together all the dirt I have on fellow reps and manager. Not enough for a whistleblower case but enough to make PP nervous. I have a few things in the works but nothing today.
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How do u wanna go ? U wanna fight ? U wanna cause as much trble as possible ? U want $ in form of settlement ? Or do u wanna exit with a little class and look behind you and say "see ya" ??? Its a personal decision you alone will decide.

But if ur going for seveence or settlement, you need to get atty now and simply refer any and all calls concerning this matter to him. Let them know immediately of your atty, but dont tell em shit about "what you have on them". Let ur atty handle that. AND ... Id hope your fellow reps really have done something bad for you to gather info on them and use it for something like this. That is a real DICK move ! Just sayin....

Here is how mine went down !

I got a phone call on Friday after PIP date. Actually it was the Fri after the EV data for the PIP date came out which is one or two weeks after the actual PIP date. DM texted me and said, "conf. call at 1:00". Called in to conference at 1:00. DM and RM on line - RM read a 4 min scripted mssg. That said something like "as of this date, Purdue is terminating your employment. You will be paid thru the next two weeks, and have healh ins thru the end of the month." Asked me for pvt email add - and that was it !!! Its the last time I have spoken to anyone in mgmt or HR.

A contractor for fleet towing called and wanted to pick up car the next monday. I sent em a box with computer and literature crap in it per email instructions and that was IT !!! Attempted to call HR 2-3 times with COBRA ?s and noone ever called me back. After the phone call, you simply dont exist anymore to anyone in HR.
You will get COBRA info sent to u via usps in about a month after ur exit.

Handle it as u see fit. I know of one person who told em to go F themselves and they cld just talk to his atty - they kept car and computer for 4-5 mos until co agreed to a small settlement.

I could have done the same. Just not worth he negative energy it wld have required, imo, but
to each his own !

You can negotiate keeping the car for 1-2 mos ????. I let em have mine cause I had my own personal vehicle and I wanted their shit outta my house ! Btw - u shld use their gas card while u can. It cuts off at $250 in a single day, but u can get it going again the next day. Fill up ur boats, truck, spare gas tanks - hell - I even filled up an older ladies car who looked like she could really use a free tank. Look at it as purdue giving a little something back to society !

Still unemployed, Still glad Im gone !!!

The new Purdue SUX worse than the old Purdue ! Mgmt has its head so far up their ass, they will never see daylight again !
Purdue is a dogshit co and will never return to what it once was. MT, L Pilla , and Lil Dougey Pace - to call you idiots would heap praise upon your heads. Wonder where you will end up shortly ??? Cause if you think Symproic is gonna help your career..... you are just dumber than I think you are. But ...... go out and push your reps to sell that shit ! Lol lol lol
 
Thanks and good luck. Is there any advantage to quitting before getting fired? A few of the applications asked "have you ever been terminated/fired". Not sure what other than you being employed PP would tell another company.
 
anonymous said:
Thanks and good luck. Is there any advantage to quitting before getting fired? A few of the applications asked "have you ever been terminated/fired". Not sure what other than you being employed PP would tell another company.
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Dipper here:
A post like this one above simply disgusts me, and in a way makes my "blood boil"!
Just sit around and lose sleep, and allow PP to fire you whenever they so choose!! Disgusting!
Have the guts to do what so many other PP employees are doing. Get that second job, have 2 incomes coming in for as long as you can, then find a second job again as a replacement! DOUBLE DIP!
Don't allow PP to control you.You control PP by double dipping! There are many, many opportunities out there!
I enjoy the benefits of double dipping (financial) and will continue to double dip.
 
anonymous said:
Thanks and good luck. Is there any advantage to quitting before getting fired? A few of the applications asked "have you ever been terminated/fired". Not sure what other than you being employed PP would tell another company.
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One of the reps fired on my team landed another pharma job so must be okay. Legally they cannot say more than just dates of service and maybe pay, but I wouldn't trust these people to be legal.
 
anonymous said:
PIPs are being used solely to instill fear in a few reps per region ( actually more than a few ). From what I can tell performance is being used as the threat but many reps that are ranked far lower are being spared if they have kissed enough ass. So pucker up or move on out...this place has reached new lows...and thats hard to do around here.
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Why are people being fired when others who are doing worse being retained? Is the Midwest region the worst?
 


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