Go to Amgen message board. There is a post for unionizing that has some great posts. There is a strong arguement why we can change the life we've been living with this company. Airline Stewardess are the prime example. They were misused, abused, and had no cover, but once they unionized the airlines give them respect, pensions and they can retire way past 50. Can we say that? We have to do something, otherwise, this nonsense will continue forever. BTW, this is sticky subject and the forces from above will fight this with vigor.
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Wow! Is this a joke? If not, your're part of the problem!
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Wow! Is this a joke? If not, your're part of the problem!
no, you are the joke, and If you didn't meet your fate today, perhaps this time next year they will have your number? maybe a week of homelessness will clear your warped head? Let me pray on that.
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At least they would have to give us the criteria they use in displacing people. It is amazing that in the old days when they used outside firms they were more transparent than they are now. Forget the credo it is dead and any of us could be next.Go to Amgen message board. There is a post for unionizing that has some great posts. There is a strong arguement why we can change the life we've been living with this company. Airline Stewardess are the prime example. They were misused, abused, and had no cover, but once they unionized the airlines give them respect, pensions and they can retire way past 50. Can we say that? We have to do something, otherwise, this nonsense will continue forever. BTW, this is sticky subject and the forces from above will fight this with vigor.
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Go to Amgen message board. There is a post for unionizing that has some great posts. There is a strong arguement why we can change the life we've been living with this company. Airline Stewardess are the prime example. They were misused, abused, and had no cover, but once they unionized the airlines give them respect, pensions and they can retire way past 50. Can we say that? We have to do something, otherwise, this nonsense will continue forever. BTW, this is sticky subject and the forces from above will fight this with vigor.
Great idea...we can send some of our hard-earned money to some lazy bunch of idiots that can in turn send the money to some lazy politicians who will do noting.
Then when restructuring comes around, it will all be done by seniority!
Great idea!
You are a f-ing dumbass. You should go unionize the rest of your retarded friends....
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Great idea...we can send some of our hard-earned money to some lazy bunch of idiots that can in turn send the money to some lazy politicians who will do noting.
Then when restructuring comes around, it will all be done by seniority!
Great idea!
You are a f-ing dumbass. You should go unionize the rest of your retarded friends....
Yeah, you're right, I like your idea better. Let's just keep getting abused by companies, laid off year end and year out forever, without any protection or labor laws. No ability to plan for the future, save or have retirement. Yeah you're right you goddam, punk, slave bitch!
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Don't be too hard on the OP. Unions do stifle efficiency and new ways of doing things, and yes seniority shouldn't be the first reason for keeping someone. I think companies need the flexibility to make changes that keep them healthy. But you have to admit, The company definitely targets the higher paid, older employees. That's not right either. Also, criteria for layoffs has been kept a big mystery and that's flat out wrong too.
I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of accountability at the management level for how they treat people. Maybe they still layoff people, it happens. But they'd better show the reason some were laid off and not others. And they'd better have legitimate cause for PIPing somebody rather than making things up to try to push people out before a layoff just to save money.
I doubt anybody is interested, but if you read RW Johnson's book "Or Forfiet Freedom", basically the rational for the Credo, you'll find that it had everything to do with labor relations. Johnson argued that, had industry treated employees respectfully and strived to take good care of their employees, they wouldn't have found their hands tied by union strong arming at the time that unions became strong in this country. He also argued that by paying employees well, a company was creating customers that would buy their products and services. If done by industry as a whole, he argued that the great depression wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
Personally, I think that the management at this company needs to study it's history lest it repeat itself. Only this time, rather than unions, it's being fought with Lawyers. I think RWJ was a real visionary for his time. He must be rolling over in his grave about now.
That said, I doubt anybody has the stomach to fight such a battle like our grandparents did in the 30's and 40's. It's our own apathy that allows companies to screw us like this. So OP, I don't think that your idea is so nuts. I just think we're too fat and lethargic to stand up and make the sacrifices necesary to force a change.
I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of accountability at the management level for how they treat people. Maybe they still layoff people, it happens. But they'd better show the reason some were laid off and not others. And they'd better have legitimate cause for PIPing somebody rather than making things up to try to push people out before a layoff just to save money.
I doubt anybody is interested, but if you read RW Johnson's book "Or Forfiet Freedom", basically the rational for the Credo, you'll find that it had everything to do with labor relations. Johnson argued that, had industry treated employees respectfully and strived to take good care of their employees, they wouldn't have found their hands tied by union strong arming at the time that unions became strong in this country. He also argued that by paying employees well, a company was creating customers that would buy their products and services. If done by industry as a whole, he argued that the great depression wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
Personally, I think that the management at this company needs to study it's history lest it repeat itself. Only this time, rather than unions, it's being fought with Lawyers. I think RWJ was a real visionary for his time. He must be rolling over in his grave about now.
That said, I doubt anybody has the stomach to fight such a battle like our grandparents did in the 30's and 40's. It's our own apathy that allows companies to screw us like this. So OP, I don't think that your idea is so nuts. I just think we're too fat and lethargic to stand up and make the sacrifices necesary to force a change.
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Don't be too hard on the OP. Unions do stifle efficiency and new ways of doing things, and yes seniority shouldn't be the first reason for keeping someone. I think companies need the flexibility to make changes that keep them healthy. But you have to admit, The company definitely targets the higher paid, older employees. That's not right either. Also, criteria for layoffs has been kept a big mystery and that's flat out wrong too.
I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of accountability at the management level for how they treat people. Maybe they still layoff people, it happens. But they'd better show the reason some were laid off and not others. And they'd better have legitimate cause for PIPing somebody rather than making things up to try to push people out before a layoff just to save money.
I doubt anybody is interested, but if you read RW Johnson's book "Or Forfiet Freedom", basically the rational for the Credo, you'll find that it had everything to do with labor relations. Johnson argued that, had industry treated employees respectfully and strived to take good care of their employees, they wouldn't have found their hands tied by union strong arming at the time that unions became strong in this country. He also argued that by paying employees well, a company was creating customers that would buy their products and services. If done by industry as a whole, he argued that the great depression wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
Personally, I think that the management at this company needs to study it's history lest it repeat itself. Only this time, rather than unions, it's being fought with Lawyers. I think RWJ was a real visionary for his time. He must be rolling over in his grave about now.
That said, I doubt anybody has the stomach to fight such a battle like our grandparents did in the 30's and 40's. It's our own apathy that allows companies to screw us like this. So OP, I don't think that your idea is so nuts. I just think we're too fat and lethargic to stand up and make the sacrifices necesary to force a change.
You nailed the problem and it is going to take someone with courage to start a class action lawsuit to stop the abuse of power. Unions won't work today- lawsuits will.
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You nailed the problem and it is going to take someone with courage to start a class action lawsuit to stop the abuse of power. Unions won't work today- lawsuits will.
"...abuse of power"!?!?! Get real. Nobody owes you anything. You don't like it, start your own company.
This ain't your Grandparents world anymore. Companies aren't loyal, employees aren't loyal.
it's been every man for themselves for a long time now.
Not saying its right, or that i agree with it, but it just is.
Until America grows the balls to start cutting off entitlement programs, and a generation learns that they have to EARN what they want it won't change.
Not everybody wins, sometimes you get your feelings hurt, and nobody really gives a damn about your self-esteem.
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"...abuse of power"!?!?! Get real. Nobody owes you anything. You don't like it, start your own company.
This ain't your Grandparents world anymore. Companies aren't loyal, employees aren't loyal.
it's been every man for themselves for a long time now.
Not saying its right, or that i agree with it, but it just is.
Until America grows the balls to start cutting off entitlement programs, and a generation learns that they have to EARN what they want it won't change.
Not everybody wins, sometimes you get your feelings hurt, and nobody really gives a damn about your self-esteem.
Stupid Comment.
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Don't be too hard on the OP. Unions do stifle efficiency and new ways of doing things, and yes seniority shouldn't be the first reason for keeping someone. I think companies need the flexibility to make changes that keep them healthy. But you have to admit, The company definitely targets the higher paid, older employees. That's not right either. Also, criteria for layoffs has been kept a big mystery and that's flat out wrong too.
I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of accountability at the management level for how they treat people. Maybe they still layoff people, it happens. But they'd better show the reason some were laid off and not others. And they'd better have legitimate cause for PIPing somebody rather than making things up to try to push people out before a layoff just to save money.
I doubt anybody is interested, but if you read RW Johnson's book "Or Forfiet Freedom", basically the rational for the Credo, you'll find that it had everything to do with labor relations. Johnson argued that, had industry treated employees respectfully and strived to take good care of their employees, they wouldn't have found their hands tied by union strong arming at the time that unions became strong in this country. He also argued that by paying employees well, a company was creating customers that would buy their products and services. If done by industry as a whole, he argued that the great depression wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
Personally, I think that the management at this company needs to study it's history lest it repeat itself. Only this time, rather than unions, it's being fought with Lawyers. I think RWJ was a real visionary for his time. He must be rolling over in his grave about now.
That said, I doubt anybody has the stomach to fight such a battle like our grandparents did in the 30's and 40's. It's our own apathy that allows companies to screw us like this. So OP, I don't think that your idea is so nuts. I just think we're too fat and lethargic to stand up and make the sacrifices necesary to force a change.
Maybe one of the newspapers will do some investigative journalism on the criteria used. It might make for some more great press for JNJ.
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Ageism at it's ugliest."...abuse of power"!?!?! Get real. Nobody owes you anything. You don't like it, start your own company.
This ain't your Grandparents world anymore. Companies aren't loyal, employees aren't loyal.
it's been every man for themselves for a long time now.
Not saying its right, or that i agree with it, but it just is.
Until America grows the balls to start cutting off entitlement programs, and a generation learns that they have to EARN what they want it won't change.
Not everybody wins, sometimes you get your feelings hurt, and nobody really gives a damn about your self-esteem.
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"...abuse of power"!?!?! Get real. Nobody owes you anything. You don't like it, start your own company.
This ain't your Grandparents world anymore. Companies aren't loyal, employees aren't loyal.
it's been every man for themselves for a long time now.
Not saying its right, or that i agree with it, but it just is.
Until America grows the balls to start cutting off entitlement programs, and a generation learns that they have to EARN what they want it won't change.
Not everybody wins, sometimes you get your feelings hurt, and nobody really gives a damn about your self-esteem.
Yea great thinking. I can start my own company, then I can get some employees and abuse the hell out of them. I like you. You can come and work for me anytime. putz
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Things aren't what they use to be. Companies and employees are different and the entitlement is REALLY out of hand and it seems you fall into the entitlement category. Your words are to vile & hateful. Nothing good will be come your way.
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Things aren't what they use to be. Companies and employees are different and the entitlement is REALLY out of hand and it seems you fall into the entitlement category. Your words are to vile & hateful. Nothing good will be come your way.
dummy, drop the republican rap. Its not about entitlement. It's about responsibility. There are indians and Chiefs. Not everybody is suppose to be a Chief. Most of us our Indians. If you're lucky enough to be a Chief (thank your Gods) You have a responsibility to help the Indians. Just like you have a responsibility to help you Grand parents or anybody else that needs assistance. If you're blessed with leadership, take your blessing, be humble, and help others, you piece of uneducated sh*t.
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I knew you'd come out sooner or later....such a predictable mindset.
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Unionize??? You actually would have to work and produce some kind of physicial good to unionize..YOu produce nothing, now go order me lunch amd make sure its delivered by noon
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dummy, drop the republican rap. Its not about entitlement. It's about responsibility. There are indians and Chiefs. Not everybody is suppose to be a Chief. Most of us our Indians. If you're lucky enough to be a Chief (thank your Gods) You have a responsibility to help the Indians. Just like you have a responsibility to help you Grand parents or anybody else that needs assistance. If you're blessed with leadership, take your blessing, be humble, and help others, you piece of uneducated sh*t.
You are spot on, it IS about responsibility. And I am NOT responsible for for you, or any "Indians" but my own. You are responsible for your own, you dumbass socialist POS.
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Yea great thinking. I can start my own company, then I can get some employees and abuse the hell out of them. I like you. You can come and work for me anytime. putz
You are too lazy to start your own company jackass.