...that sums up the Horizon Pharma corporate strategy: just keep loading the wagon and never mind that the horse is blind.
This is the worst company I've ever worked for. Ethics? Management? WOW
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...that sums up the Horizon Pharma corporate strategy: just keep loading the wagon and never mind that the horse is blind.
The idiot management team has never launched a drug before. I don't think they've done much of anything before...
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Do you have a study that compares Prednisone to Rayos, if both drugs are taken at night. Simply put can we look and compare the efficacy of these two products, before we and jump through hoops to have our patients take a very expensive drug over a cheap generic....the answer to this question is no.
Second if we compare half lifes - Prednisone is 4 hours, but it is metabolized into Prednisolone (this is the therapeutic portion of the drug), which has a half 36 hours....so please explain how Rayos fits into the treatment of RA and OA? It doesn't.
You have to look at the science and ask why...">
First I don't believe RAYOS is an expensive drug. The Doc can prescribe it to RA patients who complain of morning pain/stiffness (which is what the drug was designed for) if the patient has already been prescribed generic prednizone. RAYOS has a feature which could help the patient over that of the generic. There are many drugs for which the Docs have to "find" the proper dosing for their individual patients. One size does not fit all. I think the Docs are used to figuring out how a unique feature of a drug can be used to help the patient and make the life of the patient more comfortable. The Docs are very busy and have to deal with difficult/challenging schedules. The Sales Rep can help the Doc in this regard by bringing to the Doc's attention the unique feature of RAYOS.
Do you have a study that compares Prednisone to Rayos, if both drugs are taken at night. Simply put can we look and compare the efficacy of these two products, before we and jump through hoops to have our patients take a very expensive drug over a cheap generic....the answer to this question is no.
Second if we compare half lifes - Prednisone is 4 hours, but it is metabolized into Prednisolone (this is the therapeutic portion of the drug), which has a half 36 hours....so please explain how Rayos fits into the treatment of RA and OA? It doesn't.
You have to look at the science and ask why...">
First I don't believe RAYOS is an expensive drug. The Doc can prescribe it to RA patients who complain of morning pain/stiffness (which is what the drug was designed for) if the patient has already been prescribed generic prednizone. RAYOS has a feature which could help the patient over that of the generic. There are many drugs for which the Docs have to "find" the proper dosing for their individual patients. One size does not fit all. I think the Docs are used to figuring out how a unique feature of a drug can be used to help the patient and make the life of the patient more comfortable. The Docs are very busy and have to deal with difficult/challenging schedules. The Sales Rep can help the Doc in this regard by bringing to the Doc's attention the unique feature of RAYOS.
It amazes me how immature many of our sales reps are today. Please act like responsible adults and you will be surprised by your future success. You know longer reside in a fraternity house. Grow up and enjoy being responsible!!
It amazes me how immature many of our sales managers are today. Please act like responsible adults and you will be surprised by your future success. You know longer reside in a fraternity house. Grow up and enjoy being responsible!!! you are an idiot....
Another prime example why this company fails. Way to lead a company, losers! You're just sore because you know you're going down the shitter and maybe, just maybe, if you can demean the sales force enough, the high cost of your drug will go away, or the generic competition will go away, maybe managed care will improve, or maybe you will no longer be bound to the stupid contract you signed with Covidien. You remember, that contract where you gave Covidien most of the appropriate HCPs for your loser drug...ibuprofen and Pepcid.
Yeah, Adatto and Toddler screwed up the contract. Both are from Big Girl Pharma, and lack any knowledge on how to put together a deal that would help HZNP.
The FDA would not have given their approval for Duexis or RAYOS without some significant advantage over what was available on the market. Rayos' release at the same time as inflammatory mediators with circadian rhythm is a big deal and a big breakthrough. The FDA apparently realized this. Go check the webcast of the "Investment Community Briefing on RAYOS" presentation. The advantages are very well explained by the Doctors giving the presentation. The job of the Sales Reps is to detail this for the Doctors who are too busy with their demanding schedules to keep up to date. Once the Doctors understand the advantages and develop a comfort with these drugs, these drugs will become "go to" prescriptions for the up to date Doctors. I think Horizon has "set the table". Now their Sales Reps must execute the strategy.
No you dumb ass, it is not providing an advantage over Prednisone. A doctor has a medical degree, they understand these drugs. I understand these drugs, your data does not establish any advantage, just a deceptive presentation.
You are already blaming the representatives for it's failure....blame yourselves, I have seen your studies and your data...you are idiots, go back and do some research that compares Rayos to Prednisone....Head to Head !!!!
You evidently don't understand the advantages of RAYOS. Go through the presentation again and again until you do. The three doctors who give the presentation have their MD degrees and understand the drug's advantages. Successful Doctors in positions of great responsibility do not "sell" themselves as you suggest. Nowhere in my previous post did I say that the Sales Reps have "failed". I merely stated that the Sales Rep has the job of detailing the drugs to assist the Doctor to keep up with new developments given that the Doctor has a demanding schedule. You are assuming you will fail and getting discouraged even before the formal launch of RAYOS. A person in sales must have a thick skin, strong convictions, a powerful will and the ability to look past recent failures thus going to the next sales call with a winning attitude. Otherwise he/she won't remain a Sales Rep long or if remaining in the sales role, imagine how dreary life would be. To be successful as a Sales Rep, take a look in the mirror, develop your self respect, and hit your next sales call with a winning attitude. You would only be doing yourself a favor.
I don't have respect for the company or the product(s). Therefore I no longer have respect for myself. This is the worst company I have ever worked for. I encourage any looking at taking a job here to run. It will destroy your dignity.
Excellent point. That is why people that lack integrity or dignity are hired to work here. ken baker is a good example.
I disagree. If you are unemployed, this company is a great place to work while looking for a good job. It beats unemployment.
Silly child, clinical studies and facts tend to provide solid information. The tainted studies surrounding Rayos show nothing. The are not head to head studies, they don't show the side effect of Presdnisone, they show the simple GI side effects, these are not a big deal in the world of Prednisone. Horizon does not even know how doctors use Prednisone in the practices. Horizon is full of idiots...it's that simple.
Management should have provided what doctors really want to know about comparison to Sales reps, Period. Management tried to either cover up bad comparison data from their sales team or conveniently forgot to do comparison. So management team is real scam or idiot.
To be quite frank, I am enjoying the meeting. Meeting new people and enjoying sessions. Good Job HQ!