Sociopaths, Apaths, & Empath Dynamic In Our Industry


dude no shit, that post about the slut sociopath aligning to the sweet empath is dead on. I too could name several scenarios. they may seem alike at first. pretty, go-getter, outgoing women but yeah the slut socio has a reason for that friendship. a slut socio sleeps with all the guys in her crowd but the sweet empath treated like a little sister - though we want to F*** her too, we know it's not happening or respect her too much
there was this in my region but one quit, it happened in my old district a while back at bms too
the sweet empath often takes up for slut sociopath until she finally sees the light that the whore sociopath is using her and hopefully this is before she is caught in slut sociopath's wake of destruction
 
Are you guys completely sure that the "sweet empath" maybe isn't a well liked sociopath? How do you know the sweetness isn't just an image thing. I say this because I rarely ever see too many people like someone in ths business if they're too sweet. Let's be dead honest! I see a whole lot of fake nice along with passive aggressive nasty behavior that's sometimes also secretly slutty and then hearing..."That can't be true. She's just soooo nice and well liked. You just don't know her." Then you attend a pod meeting and you might hear a snarky comment about the number of Mexicans in the restaurant or they'll make a cute nasty comment about the waitresses shoes and so on... Sometimes, in this industry, people like their pretty girls fake and bitchy. If you're truly nice and a good person you'll have a very difficult time.
 
make no mistake ... the sweet empath is no dumbass. She is likely "calculating" too like mentioned above. she likely has more self confidence and is less likely to resort to the slutty behaviors of the sociopathic friend. in fact she may even be smarter than the sociopath but does not realize the sociopaths potential for destruction. these relationships can form unintentionally like women on the same team or partnerships. you can tell a difference if they work for women. Women bosses do not like slutty women but will take to the sweet empath. she is "nice" but no pushover ... I think the word sweet is misleading. you are right, people who are too sweet will get stepped on in this business. I think what they're trying to say is that slutty sociopathic females will use the popular woman, who is nicer in a sense, to get themselves a better image

I've seen this backfire though - sociopath can ruin the other woman's rep or drag her into her bullshit. very common dynamic in this industry. and holy shit ladies don't get pissed but sociopathic women seem more likely to be single or either married without a family.
 
Laughing out loud ... Do not neglect the groups of chattery, gossipy apaths who do nothing but run their mouths and are often jealous of the coveted empath and dangerous sociopath. One good trait of the sociopathic woman is that she protects her empath as long as the alliance is favorable. The attractive, charismatic empath is the favorite target of the male sociopath, but a female sociopath will smell his game a mile away where the empath is blind because she is used to her protection. The female sociopath will warn her companion. I have observed this and yes it happens often.
I too am an apath who keeps to herself. I am kind of jealous of empathic people who aren't as shot down as I feel but I don't gossip much. I don't like the other apaths because they seem shallow. It's fun observing the psychos in this industry.
 
Are you guys completely sure that the "sweet empath" maybe isn't a well liked sociopath? How do you know the sweetness isn't just an image thing. I say this because I rarely ever see too many people like someone in ths business if they're too sweet. Let's be dead honest! I see a whole lot of fake nice along with passive aggressive nasty behavior that's sometimes also secretly slutty and then hearing..."That can't be true. She's just soooo nice and well liked. You just don't know her." Then you attend a pod meeting and you might hear a snarky comment about the number of Mexicans in the restaurant or they'll make a cute nasty comment about the waitresses shoes and so on... Sometimes, in this industry, people like their pretty girls fake and bitchy. If you're truly nice and a good person you'll have a very difficult time.

I kind of agree. They're are too many women and some men that have good reputations and are seen as apathetic when they're really a**holes. If someone is moral and outspoken, not self righteous, but defends their ground when they help others, they won't last long.
I've seen nasty women (sociopaths) that act terrible and then turn around and claim everyone is "jealous"? of them when other people (who are also attractive) don't side with their poor character. Seriously the jealousy card is overused and often a defense when someone really screws up with allowing their true colors to show which is not pretty.
 
Laughing out loud ... Do not neglect the groups of chattery, gossipy apaths who do nothing but run their mouths and are often jealous of the coveted empath and dangerous sociopath. One good trait of the sociopathic woman is that she protects her empath as long as the alliance is favorable. The attractive, charismatic empath is the favorite target of the male sociopath, but a female sociopath will smell his game a mile away where the empath is blind because she is used to her protection. The female sociopath will warn her companion. I have observed this and yes it happens often.
I too am an apath who keeps to herself. I am kind of jealous of empathic people who aren't as shot down as I feel but I don't gossip much. I don't like the other apaths because they seem shallow. It's fun observing the psychos in this industry.

Spot on!!!!!! Refer to the first paragraph of the sociopathic transaction. Empaths are both a foe and a source of attraction for sociopaths. Sociopaths hunt them down, and can destroy an unsuspecting empaths personal or professional life. Empaths are not used to being used and abused for sport and wrongly think others are as caring as they are, until they are fucked over.

As far as the last post, I kind of agree too but I do think it depends ... women are often envious of other women. The thing with the empathic/sociopathic female friendship is that the empath does not agree with the sociopaths character but rather tries to influence her, which will never work, or in turn lets the sociopaths troubles appeal to her emotions. They however can fall into the "guilty by association" category as well as the sociopath getting the "friend card" with the empathic woman. Remember sociopaths have no emotions. A sociopathic woman has no fear. She is often promiscuous and uncaring but may development a weird loyalty to her empathic friend who "sees the good in her."
 
I'm not sure the jealousy card is always over played. When you are a pretty woman, people tend to attack you in this industry. The snotty, slutty actions of some ruin it for everyone. People also assume pretty women in this industry are stupid and get their positions or favor in the wrong way (helllloooo ..... who can miss all the bullshit on that point!!), and this is not always true.

say a pretty woman is seen hanging out with her boss or some other guy after hours, having a drink. People will likely talk. all of a sudden, everyone says they're hooking up. The women call her a whore (nobody mentions what a player/whore he is, ever notice that), wonder what her motive is.

but, if it's a not attractive woman hanging out with her boss, or some guy, having a drink. not a word will be said. if she gets a promotion or a special assignment at a meeting, it must be her merit. she's brilliant in front of her doctors, blah blah. I've been in this industry longer than I would like to admit, and these women offer favors just as much or more often than the "pretty ladies" but no one talks because they're not beautiful.

but the pretty woman? Oh, no, that whore "earned" her promotion or "special assignment" the wrong way. that is not always true but most of you assume it is!! I've read everything this year and it's so wrong. there are plenty of pretty women who are also intelligent but it seems like many of you assume that cannot be so. there are also plenty of pretty women who do a great job who don't screw every guy in their wake.
 
There are also very pretty women that get attacked by sociopath women who are also attractive. If the pretty woman stands up to the mean girl sociopath, then it's because she is jealous and very hostile... At least according to the sociopathic woman and then she wil spread rumors about her being a whore and of course...
Let's make sure everyone thinks she's so jealous of me because deep deep down inside just maybe I'm (being the attractive sociopath) feeling a little bit threatened by the potential success in her that I'm confronted with... I'm going to make sure everyone thinks that she's a bad person because I would hate for anyone to take away the attention I've been receiving and if I keep telling myself she wishes she was me and is sooo jealous, then maybe I can convince myself of what Im trying so hard to convince everyone else, and that she's slept with her old man manager to get the job and she's such a slut...this way no one will ever think that that's what I've done, after all I married mine. It's a brilliant plan. Let's do it!! All I need is a partner in crime and a few apaths and I'm good to go. Who cares about it NOT being true. I deserve and need to take the bitch out!

Sound familiar anyone?
 
I'm not sure the jealousy card is always over played. When you are a pretty woman, people tend to attack you in this industry. The snotty, slutty actions of some ruin it for everyone. People also assume pretty women in this industry are stupid and get their positions or favor in the wrong way (helllloooo ..... who can miss all the bullshit on that point!!), and this is not always true.

say a pretty woman is seen hanging out with her boss or some other guy after hours, having a drink. People will likely talk. all of a sudden, everyone says they're hooking up. The women call her a whore (nobody mentions what a player/whore he is, ever notice that), wonder what her motive is.

but, if it's a not attractive woman hanging out with her boss, or some guy, having a drink. not a word will be said. if she gets a promotion or a special assignment at a meeting, it must be her merit. she's brilliant in front of her doctors, blah blah. I've been in this industry longer than I would like to admit, and these women offer favors just as much or more often than the "pretty ladies" but no one talks because they're not beautiful.

but the pretty woman? Oh, no, that whore "earned" her promotion or "special assignment" the wrong way. that is not always true but most of you assume it is!! I've read everything this year and it's so wrong. there are plenty of pretty women who are also intelligent but it seems like many of you assume that cannot be so. there are also plenty of pretty women who do a great job who don't screw every guy in their wake.

You are so spot on, friend. People don't understand how hard it actually is to be an attractive woman in the workplace who happens to have a brain. If you want to truly be taken seriously, you have to actually play down your looks. You have to play down your looks so people focus on your work rather than your other assets. If you are pretty, I can't tell you how many men assume that you are there for their sexual amusement. And then you are crazy, a bitch, etc. when you reject them, even if they are married, ugly, have some sort of obvious communicable disease, etc.

So I actually keep it under wraps. I dress really on the frumpy side every day. I don't do my hair as sexily as I could. My make up is very understated. It's professional but doesn't call attention to me. On the occasions where I do have to reveal that oh my God, I'm actually a looker, it is like watching a bunch of men lose their minds. I can't deal with that every day. I guess it's different if you don't know you have it in you. But men treat you like you owe them something when you're good looking. I'd rather go through life quietly and have my beauty for me. I feel good about myself. Only the good men need to know.
 
OMG this is all sooooo true. How some sociopathic women attack the pretty women, how some form an empath alliance for their own good, and how men treat you if you're pretty. Oh and don't forget you have to watch out for the female superiors who will also target you ... Unless they are pretty too which thankfully lots here are. Despite this BS from men Otsuka isn't a bad place to work if you are a woman in some areas.
 
Many women go on attack when they see another man/ woman who can't do anything for them or won't do anything for them. It's only about how other people. CAn serve you. If they can't them you are a waste of space and you're treated accordingly in the crazy persons world.
 
Many women go on attack when they see another man/ woman who can't do anything for them or won't do anything for them. It's only about how other people. CAn serve you. If they can't them you are a waste of space and you're treated accordingly in the crazy persons world.
Please give an explanation for what you mean by "attack". So the crazy person decides to cut bait with you when they see that your apathetic or "can't do anything for them or won't do anything for them" and you feel like that's wrong? Am I missing something here? Why do you think they should feel obligated to you if you can't help them? Are they suppose to benefit you in some way? You owe them nothing and they also are not obligated to you.Just trying to understand...
 
Laughing out loud ... Do not neglect the groups of chattery, gossipy apaths who do nothing but run their mouths and are often jealous of the coveted empath and dangerous sociopath. One good trait of the sociopathic woman is that she protects her empath as long as the alliance is favorable. The attractive, charismatic empath is the favorite target of the male sociopath, but a female sociopath will smell his game a mile away where the empath is blind because she is used to her protection. The female sociopath will warn her companion. I have observed this and yes it happens often.
I too am an apath who keeps to herself. I am kind of jealous of empathic people who aren't as shot down as I feel but I don't gossip much. I don't like the other apaths because they seem shallow. It's fun observing the psychos in this industry.

LoL! The pharma industry loves the apath!
This shit is comical about the sociopathic and empathic women alliances. My district has a pair! I wouldn't call the empath "sweet" but she's not crazy, at least not where we can see it. I have seen the male sociopathic type go after the female empath ... such an intriguing interaction. She entertains him professionally and, he will hope, sexually. She speaks up, has so much emotion, he has none but is fascinated by her. he will spend limited energy charming the empath (fake of course), but is often interrupted by the slut friend who is like, "stay away from him, he's a mother fucker."

I think most people in this industry have some psycho in them. and all of us ... hot damn, we've been calling on psychs too long. I mean, read this damn board. Sheesh. but hey we sell the number one drug in the us of a!
 
Please give an explanation for what you mean by "attack". So the crazy person decides to cut bait with you when they see that your apathetic or "can't do anything for them or won't do anything for them" and you feel like that's wrong? Am I missing something here? Why do you think they should feel obligated to you if you can't help them? Are they suppose to benefit you in some way? You owe them nothing and they also are not obligated to you.Just trying to understand...
I'm not so sure that this person was attacked as much as maybe blown off... It is sad that many people won't have much to do with you unless you benefit them in some way. You do need to cut bait with people that are not only not helpful, but also using you to get information or to hear about drama that doesn't concern them. Yes, cutting people off is essential if you want to avoid trouble.
 
You do have to stay away from people that cause trouble.

Or people that have a reputation of getting people fired. I never could understand this type. You would think that they would get away with this once or maybe even twice, but they are known for multiple cases. Managers fear these types and usually kiss their ass. Can someone explain how someone can develop or possess this type of leverage? I've lost too many friends over this and there is a known history of this behavior and this comes from multiple companies where they have worked.
 
Thank you. I wasn't sure how people would respond to that. I thought that it would either be understood by women living as I did as something that had to be done and very honest or something to be attacked as BS, as dishonest, "no, you don't do that!"
 
like the other person said your crazy or a bitch if you don't! crazy is usually their favorite adjective
 
There are also very pretty women that get attacked by sociopath women who are also attractive. If the pretty woman stands up to the mean girl sociopath, then it's because she is jealous and very hostile... At least according to the sociopathic woman and then she wil spread rumors about her being a whore and of course...
Let's make sure everyone thinks she's so jealous of me because deep deep down inside just maybe I'm (being the attractive sociopath) feeling a little bit threatened by the potential success in her that I'm confronted with... I'm going to make sure everyone thinks that she's a bad person because I would hate for anyone to take away the attention I've been receiving and if I keep telling myself she wishes she was me and is sooo jealous, then maybe I can convince myself of what Im trying so hard to convince everyone else, and that she's slept with her old man manager to get the job and she's such a slut...this way no one will ever think that that's what I've done, after all I married mine. It's a brilliant plan. Let's do it!! All I need is a partner in crime and a few apaths and I'm good to go. Who cares about it NOT being true. I deserve and need to take the bitch out!

Sound familiar anyone?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm. I can only guess!!!!
 


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