Switching OpCo's


Haha. We stay in the cases long enough to ensure the product is being used properly and everyone is comfortable. Then, we take off and go hunt for new business. Unlike you guys that hang out with a handful of docs and and do nothing and somehow get paid to do that. How can you not grow but still get paid?! What a deal. Sign me up

You aren't fooling anyone with your value in the or. You guys absolutely do not offer anything to the case. I've seen in first hand and I have been in a ton of your cases. You may offer some assistance and I stress May to the scrub tech that isnt too familiar by using your laser pointy thing but even then I've seen the techs roll their eyes. You offer absolutely nothing to the doc but open a box of "hardware" (lmao I had to) regardless of what u think.


You just telling yourself 'that' and making yourself happy. And us hardware reps will keep pretending that we like you. LMAO
 


You just telling yourself and making yourself happy. And us hardware reps will keep pretending that we like you. LMAO

Hey the feeling is mutual. If you think we like collaborating on these products you are so wrong. These particular products are low cost and ones we would normally not focus on. However, it's a focus for the company so we are kinda forced to some extent. I don't know how you guys can be ok with leeching of a handful of surgeons and putting your career in their hands essentially. Those few docs absolutely own you!
 


Hey the feeling is mutual. If you think we like collaborating on these products you are so wrong. These particular products are low cost and ones we would normally not focus on. However, it's a focus for the company so we are kinda forced to some extent. I don't know how you guys can be ok with leeching of a handful of surgeons and putting your career in their hands essentially. Those few docs absolutely own you!


Haha! You sound like ever other ETH rep- over worked, under paid, unhappy but yet completely content with someone owning you by paying for your car, gas, & cell phone. Grow up. Pay your own bills.
 


Haha! You sound like ever other ETH rep- over worked, under paid, unhappy but yet completely content with someone owning you by paying for your car, gas, & cell phone. Grow up. Pay your own bills.

You are saying we are owned because we get car and gas paid for? Lmao, nice reverse psychology. I pointed out first that you are the ones that are owned. If you lose 1 of your 3 docs, you are toast! Standing in the same OR day after day isn't sales. You are little bit**es to your handful of docs. It's so pathetic to see a grown man have to open hardware like that and bow down to the doc
 


Enjoy your pretentious attitude while you can. It's not all that difficult to drop off a try, tell a tech how to put a part together, or get a PO.

The ONLY reason "hardware" reps are in the OR is because the product is consigned.


"Hardware" is very expensive and there are a ton of different sku's. If the hospital was able to keep a million plus worth of "hardware" inventory on the shelf they would.

In the next few years the hospital is going to get product consigned to them and their inventory managed from a J&J distribution program. WHEN that happens you will be just like or replaced by the Ethicon rep. Your responsibility will go from bringing in product and getting a PO to doing the same thing a Ethicon rep does (in-servicing the staff a couple of times and roaming the halls trying find a reason to be in a case).

Regardless if you believe me or not, get over yourself you're not that important.
 


Enjoy your pretentious attitude while you can. It's not all that difficult to drop off a try, tell a tech how to put a part together, or get a PO.

The ONLY reason "hardware" reps are in the OR is because the product is consigned.


"Hardware" is very expensive and there are a ton of different sku's. If the hospital was able to keep a million plus worth of "hardware" inventory on the shelf they would.

In the next few years the hospital is going to get product consigned to them and their inventory managed from a J&J distribution program. WHEN that happens you will be just like or replaced by the Ethicon rep. Your responsibility will go from bringing in product and getting a PO to doing the same thing a Ethicon rep does (in-servicing the staff a couple of times and roaming the halls trying find a reason to be in a case).

Regardless if you believe me or not, get over yourself you're not that important.


But you seem to forget that in the past and now currently we are widely needed in any hospital or surgery center. The hospital needs us. Their staff needs us and the doctors depend on us. And until that changes you keep getting your car and cell phone for to make you feel important, chump.
 


Enjoy your pretentious attitude while you can. It's not all that difficult to drop off a try, tell a tech how to put a part together, or get a PO.

The ONLY reason "hardware" reps are in the OR is because the product is consigned.


"Hardware" is very expensive and there are a ton of different sku's. If the hospital was able to keep a million plus worth of "hardware" inventory on the shelf they would.

In the next few years the hospital is going to get product consigned to them and their inventory managed from a J&J distribution program. WHEN that happens you will be just like or replaced by the Ethicon rep. Your responsibility will go from bringing in product and getting a PO to doing the same thing a Ethicon rep does (in-servicing the staff a couple of times and roaming the halls trying find a reason to be in a case).

Regardless if you believe me or not, get over yourself you're not that important.

This post reflects your fundamental misunderstanding of the Ortho role. I could write 2 pages explaining the role and how it's different from yours, but won't waste too much time explaining it because from the gist of your numbing responses, you wouldn't get it anyway. However, you first need to understand the difference between a joint rep and a trauma consultant. Secondly, you will never understand the relationship between an orthopedic trauma consultant and an attending Ortho surgeon who is on-call until you've done the role yourself. Being in a few cases with a DePuy Synthes rep is drastically different than living the day-to-day life of an actual consultant.

None of this is to demean the Ethicon rep. I'm sure there are plenty of them that work hard. But to paint them as "just as important" as a trauma or recon rep within the OR shows that you're ignorant to the facts. Best of luck to the OP trying to switch companies!
 


Enjoy your pretentious attitude while you can. It's not all that difficult to drop off a try, tell a tech how to put a part together, or get a PO.

The ONLY reason "hardware" reps are in the OR is because the product is consigned.


"Hardware" is very expensive and there are a ton of different sku's. If the hospital was able to keep a million plus worth of "hardware" inventory on the shelf they would.

In the next few years the hospital is going to get product consigned to them and their inventory managed from a J&J distribution program. WHEN that happens you will be just like or replaced by the Ethicon rep. Your responsibility will go from bringing in product and getting a PO to doing the same thing a Ethicon rep does (in-servicing the staff a couple of times and roaming the halls trying find a reason to be in a case).

Regardless if you believe me or not, get over yourself you're not that important.


LMAO, you cannot even begin to compare your role as an Ethicon rep to that of a trauma or orthopedic rep, even if we do work for the same company.
 


Disclaimer: I'm an ethicon rep and have been for 10 years

I'll add my 2 cents and try to be fair. I think the argument cod who's job is more valuable and harder are 2 different topics. It all depends on how you define "value" and/or "hard."

Hard---
In my opinion ethicon is more difficult because it's more stressful and you are constantly expected to grow. No growth means no commissions. Tons of products we have to sell to every specialty. It's a hunting job.

Ortho and spine reps is hard in the sense that you have are locked down to a few surgeons and are probably at 1 or 2 accounts constantly!

To me, the stress of a constant number to hit that gets larger every year is more difficult than defending a handful of surgeons. But again that's just my opinion. Not trying to be an a hole about it. I envy the Ortho spine reps a lot because I'm running around to 5 accounts constantly trying to be everything to everyone keeping people happy and growing at the same time.

Value--
I think spine Ortho reps become a fixture in the or and are viewed as part of the team. The stuff is on consignment so you kind of have a reason to be there. But you really aren't offering any value.

Ethicon reps become a fixture as well in BARIATRIC cases especially. Same situation. Not a lot of actual value other than defending your business.
 


Enjoy your pretentious attitude while you can. It's not all that difficult to drop off a try, tell a tech how to put a part together, or get a PO.

The ONLY reason "hardware" reps are in the OR is because the product is consigned.


"Hardware" is very expensive and there are a ton of different sku's. If the hospital was able to keep a million plus worth of "hardware" inventory on the shelf they would.

In the next few years the hospital is going to get product consigned to them and their inventory managed from a J&J distribution program. WHEN that happens you will be just like or replaced by the Ethicon rep. Your responsibility will go from bringing in product and getting a PO to doing the same thing a Ethicon rep does (in-servicing the staff a couple of times and roaming the halls trying find a reason to be in a case).

Regardless if you believe me or not, get over yourself you're not that important.

I don't know who you are, but damn you hit the nail on the head!
 


Disclaimer: I'm an ethicon rep and have been for 10 years

I'll add my 2 cents and try to be fair. I think the argument cod who's job is more valuable and harder are 2 different topics. It all depends on how you define "value" and/or "hard."

Hard---
In my opinion ethicon is more difficult because it's more stressful and you are constantly expected to grow. No growth means no commissions. Tons of products we have to sell to every specialty. It's a hunting job.

Ortho and spine reps is hard in the sense that you have are locked down to a few surgeons and are probably at 1 or 2 accounts constantly!

To me, the stress of a constant number to hit that gets larger every year is more difficult than defending a handful of surgeons. But again that's just my opinion. Not trying to be an a hole about it. I envy the Ortho spine reps a lot because I'm running around to 5 accounts constantly trying to be everything to everyone keeping people happy and growing at the same time.

Value--
I think spine Ortho reps become a fixture in the or and are viewed as part of the team. The stuff is on consignment so you kind of have a reason to be there. But you really aren't offering any value.

Ethicon reps become a fixture as well in BARIATRIC cases especially. Same situation. Not a lot of actual value other than defending your business.


The "hard" part is subjective. Do you want to work bankers hours and 30 hour weeks like a Ethicon rep, and be tasked with growing an ever larger pie? Is that considered hard to you? Or do you want to work 75 hour weeks with nights and weekends but know that you're paid commission on every case you're in? Is that considered hard to you? Again, the "hard" part is subjective.

As for the "value" part, you're missing the mark demonstrably. Ortho reps take phone calls and texts directly from their doc's asking to look at films and build pre-op template ideas. I've never heard of or seen an Ethicon rep being contacted for anything other than an in-service. The "value" piece isn't in the same ballpark friend.
 


The "hard" part is subjective. Do you want to work bankers hours and 30 hour weeks like a Ethicon rep, and be tasked with growing an ever larger pie? Is that considered hard to you? Or do you want to work 75 hour weeks with nights and weekends but know that you're paid commission on every case you're in? Is that considered hard to you? Again, the "hard" part is subjective.

As for the "value" part, you're missing the mark demonstrably. Ortho reps take phone calls and texts directly from their doc's asking to look at films and build pre-op template ideas. I've never heard of or seen an Ethicon rep being contacted for anything other than an in-service. The "value" piece isn't in the same ballpark friend.


Whatever, nothing is like getting up at 5 or 6am and working back to back to back trauma cases in the OR then going home and getting called back that night because it's your turn to cover that night. Then hustling in hallways to get equipment from spot to spot and still eat angle in docs for growth. Trauma is a beast and it's hard. If anything it's odd to say but standing around for hours on end gets difficult. But the reward in the 350k a year and a life on the bottom of the 1%
 


Whatever, nothing is like getting up at 5 or 6am and working back to back to back trauma cases in the OR then going home and getting called back that night because it's your turn to cover that night. Then hustling in hallways to get equipment from spot to spot and still eat angle in docs for growth. Trauma is a beast and it's hard. If anything it's odd to say but standing around for hours on end gets difficult. But the reward in the 350k a year and a life on the bottom of the 1%

350k!?!? I'd work every day at 5am for that. We make 150k in a great year here.
 


350k!?!? I'd work every day at 5am for that. We make 150k in a great year here.
You must be in Boston or somewhere where we don't have any business. We have a ton of reps who are in the low to mid 200s every year. No one at Ethicon makes 350 anymore though. The last reps to make that consistently were hernia and biosurgery
 


You must be in Boston or somewhere where we don't have any business. We have a ton of reps who are in the low to mid 200s every year. No one at Ethicon makes 350 anymore though. The last reps to make that consistently were hernia and biosurgery


No one now, ever. Well maybe the Managers that have been there for 20+ yrs and they serve absolutely no purpose! Away at meetings all the time- for what???
 




The "hard" part is subjective. Do you want to work bankers hours and 30 hour weeks like a Ethicon rep, and be tasked with growing an ever larger pie? Is that considered hard to you? Or do you want to work 75 hour weeks with nights and weekends but know that you're paid commission on every case you're in? Is that considered hard to you? Again, the "hard" part is subjective.

As for the "value" part, you're missing the mark demonstrably. Ortho reps take phone calls and texts directly from their doc's asking to look at films and build pre-op template ideas. I've never heard of or seen an Ethicon rep being contacted for anything other than an in-service. The "value" piece isn't in the same ballpark friend.

If u are working 30 hours a weeks at ethicon I can assure you that you won't hit your number and will eventually be managed out. I'm not sure who works more hours but I highly doubt that Ortho reps work an extra 45 hours per week more that Ethicon according to your statement above !! That is a gross exaggeration.

As far as value goes, ethicon does offer value in the way of professional education, inservicing, tons of new product updates and new products to constantly show surgeons, managing trials, managing contracts, fielding questions constantly from accounts, etc

I guess the grass is greener to me, but my opinion still say Ortho and or spine is easier. Simply because even if I did work more hours for me the fact that I'm paid from dollar 1 and I can focus on a handful of surgeons is much easier. Ethicon is more of a sales role while hardware reps are more relationship based.
 


Your friends are lying to you. We definitely do not have ANY reps making mid 200's. I can count on 1 hand the number who barely cracked 200.
Well you need new friends my man..I'm a BT and haven't made less than $200k since the organizations merged, and I've only made it to 2 winners circle trips...
In other words, you are wrong
 


If u are working 30 hours a weeks at ethicon I can assure you that you won't hit your number and will eventually be managed out. I'm not sure who works more hours but I highly doubt that Ortho reps work an extra 45 hours per week more that Ethicon according to your statement above !! That is a gross exaggeration.

As far as value goes, ethicon does offer value in the way of professional education, inservicing, tons of new product updates and new products to constantly show surgeons, managing trials, managing contracts, fielding questions constantly from accounts, etc

I guess the grass is greener to me, but my opinion still say Ortho and or spine is easier. Simply because even if I did work more hours for me the fact that I'm paid from dollar 1 and I can focus on a handful of surgeons is much easier. Ethicon is more of a sales role while hardware reps are more relationship based.



Trials= giving away free product for 60-90 days. Anyone can do that and hospitals LOVE free product. How many trials ever stick? Less than 5%.

Inservices- buying the staff food to inservice them on your product because there no value in you actually covering the cases.

Product updates= product recalls.

New products= more products recalled.

Ethicon is more of a sales role, don't always believe what your parents told you about yourself...

There's ZERO value of ETH reps in the OR covering cases. If the hospitals were smart enough they would save your petty 65k salary along with your TALs 105k salary by buying directly from the company.

Bahahaha! This thread is hilarious. You guys and your value.
 


Trials= giving away free product for 60-90 days. Anyone can do that and hospitals LOVE free product. How many trials ever stick? Less than 5%.

Inservices- buying the staff food to inservice them on your product because there no value in you actually covering the cases.

Product updates= product recalls.

New products= more products recalled.

Ethicon is more of a sales role, don't always believe what your parents told you about yourself...

There's ZERO value of ETH reps in the OR covering cases. If the hospitals were smart enough they would save your petty 65k salary along with your TALs 105k salary by buying directly from the company.

Bahahaha! This thread is hilarious. You guys and your value.

So many wrong things and misunderstandings in this post and don't feel like responding. But, I will say the guy that summed it up as a sales role vs a relationship role is right. Ethicon is probably the hardest pure sales role in medical devices. When is the last time an Ortho rep made a cold call. With reps do it all the time. They call on urology, gyn, thoracic, general, Ortho, trauma, et
 



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