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I prefer to believe that all of us live many lives. Our electrical signal that is unique to each of us can never die. Perhaps "it" is our soul. Scientists years ago believed that the electrical current found in between the two hemispheres of the brain was the location of the human soul. If all life on this planet can not leave this planet (really), then where does it go? I will tell you my theory. It stays here and in the realms we cannot see, since humans can only "see" about 10 percent of reality/matter. I tend to think that no life is ever really snuffed out. Some choices are tough and may not be right, but life always finds a way back out of the darkness. There are no innocent humans. Even according to the Bible, we are all born sinners. Hence, we are sinners even before we are born and we will sin over and over and over again. No sin is greater than any other. An innocent life would revert back to pure energy. I have seen it personally that one can even get a beloved dead pet back in another form of pet. Granted, they are just spirits. I think you all argue too much and MFAS, you need to put your money where you "heart" is and adopt our spend a lot of your time making sure that adoption is easier in the U.S. If God is all knowing and children are so perfect, then please go to a DD home and volunteer your time. Let me know how that goes when one of those "sweet" children throws sht on you or strangles you. Watch as some poor child bangs their head all day long and moans. I again say this because not ALL abortions are because a child is unwanted. Many women are older or have health issues. You have heard me go down this song and dance before, so I won't go on and on. Any living thing can procreate. It is nothing special to humans. I do draw the line at a beating heart, but not at the sperm and egg meeting. A fetus that is six weeks old is not a functional human being anymore than a seed is a tree. While that individual "soul" may be there, I believe that "soul" will come back. So, quit worrying. We have lived many, many lives.

GG, I have stayed out of this discussion because it is just to 'heavy' for my
already short circuited mind. I happen to be a strong believer in the Lord and all he has created. My path has not always been streight however. In the 60's
I got very heavily into Kahlil Gibran and read everything about him and his philosophy or exactly the things you wrote about here. I become a devotee for years while still believing in my Greek Orthodox Faith kind of intermingling the two beliefs. I eventually completely embraced my faith and it is unshakable. Gibran still plays a role in my life because he writes about good things like all of us being gods, (with a small g) and serving the one God. He writes about the recycling of souls that wait for eternity to be reborn. Cool stuff that warants study. His most famous books are 'The Prophet' and 'Earth Gods' among many others. But that was the 60's sweetheart, we were all looking for either a good book with all the answers or the ultimate acid.
My grass of choice was Panama Blond but the Cambodian Red was some good shit too. Believe what you want...I know you lead a good Christian life regardless whether you consider yourself as such.
 


It truly was another great post. I think DD is Developmental Disabilities Home. This strengthens the case. The spawn of a rapist could easily have these disabilities from 1) a genetic standpoint and 2) a challenged upbringing.
The rapee doesn't need this and neither does society. From a NET standpoint, the positive of aborting outweighs the negative.

Interesting take on heartbeat starting at 5 or 6 weeks. If not mistaken when you're heart is no longer beating you are no longer alive. Conversly, if a heart is not yet beating, life has not yet occured.

Arguing is good when each person realizes no one has the certified perfect answer, we all have opinions. As dear as we hold each of our opinions by exchanging we learn about each other and NO one's opinion is the 'End of Story'. They are all just educated guesses/opinions.

I think what I like about arguing is that I like to believe I am right :):) but really enjoy understanding how people come to their conclusions and positions they hold. I don't feel I have to agree with someone to accept their argument has merit!
 


I think what I like about arguing is that I like to believe I am right :):) but really enjoy understanding how people come to their conclusions and positions they hold. I don't feel I have to agree with someone to accept their argument has merit!

Agree 100% and generally (keyword generally - LOL!) I feel I get a sense for how you come to your conclusions - which may not make me agree wholeheartedly (or even half heartedly sometimes - again LOL!) but at least I get a sense that you're a thinking person, somewhat open to debate (let's replace argue with debate) and the elucidations of your positions give me an expanded perspective (as in I'm not the only opinion on earth). I wish others had the same openness that you have. Without it, we get nowhere.
 


Great answer GG. I feel exactly the same about the soul/spirit/energy/universe and that souls do recycle until they do the work, get it right and then white light. Karma.

Yes, I have seen that for myself as well, therefore the golden rule.
An argument can be a great exchange or be mean spirited and closed-minded. I prefer the former. I would never try to shove my opinion down anyone’s throat as so many here do. What does it matter what belief system one has as long as you are a good person.
 


Great answer GG. I feel exactly the same about the soul/spirit/energy/universe and that souls do recycle until they do the work, get it right and then white light. Karma.

Yes, I have seen that for myself as well, therefore the golden rule.
An argument can be a great exchange or be mean spirited and closed-minded. I prefer the former. I would never try to shove my opinion down anyone’s throat as so many here do. What does it matter what belief system one has as long as you are a good person.

By saying you've never make a post that was mean spirited do you mean you've never posted your fantasy that I publicly degrade my woman?

Just answer, don't make me replicate it. I'm curious. :cool:
 


By saying you've never make a post that was mean spirited do you mean you've never posted your fantasy that I publicly degrade my woman?

Just answer, don't make me replicate it. I'm curious. :cool:

Oh, Vag. I can't help but really love you. You've removed so many of your posts. Really, I and many have read many things you've said about your GF, lately, not so much...LOL! I think you have a reputation to uphold..., LOL!

Nothing meant to be mean spirited, only showing back to you what you showed us...I really don't care. You are who you are, we all know that.
 


It truly was another great post. I think DD is Developmental Disabilities Home. This strengthens the case. The spawn of a rapist could easily have these disabilities from 1) a genetic standpoint and 2) a challenged upbringing.
The rapee doesn't need this and neither does society. From a NET standpoint, the positive of aborting outweighs the negative.

Interesting take on heartbeat starting at 5 or 6 weeks. If not mistaken when you're heart is no longer beating you are no longer alive. Conversly, if a heart is not yet beating, life has not yet occured.

Arguing is good when each person realizes no one has the certified perfect answer, we all have opinions. As dear as we hold each of our opinions by exchanging we learn about each other and NO one's opinion is the 'End of Story'. They are all just educated guesses/opinions.

Yet again you make wild, unfounded assumptions and completely misunderstand the net concept which is still in my favor.

From conception it is a unique human life. None of those things can be argued with on a rational scientific basis, hence you, DD, SPN and GG are left in the unenviable position of trying to justify the taking of an innocent human life.

And here's a hint for you. It is patently immoral and unAmerican to exti guish someone's life for what they might do but haven't done yet. Ditto for the possibility that they might have a difficult up ringing and a hard life.

All of you are old enough and should be wise enough to know that life doesnt come with gaurantees for anyone. To suggest that this is moral justification for ending innocent human life is morally bankrupt.

If you don't have life, you've got nothing in terms of this world. End of story. Threw that in just for you, Vag. Oh and the fact that it's an unarguable truth.

With life there is possibility and the chance of realization of potential. If ther is a God who is remotely interested in the affairs of men, I don't see how He would approve of arbitrarily ending a unique and in ocent human life regardless Of how early the stage of development
Or temporary dependence on th mother.

9 months for the mother can't begin to compare to a potential 9 decades for the child.

Another couple of thoughts in closing. GGs comments on the DD homes seems to echo the Nazi campaign of extinguishing "life that is not worth living". As you may recall that is the cover under which they started only to proceed to homosexuals, gypsies and then ultimately the Final Solution.

Something else to consider in terms of the dangers of the slippery slope is that there is a so-called ethicist at Princeton named Senger (sp?) who actually argues that not only is abortion is acceptable it it is acceptable to kill infants and toddlers. Let that sink in for a moment. You may think that acceptance of early term abortion would never lead to that, but you can't really know that you can only hope or Think that.

Human life demands that we err on the side of caution
And provide it the utmost respect, even if that life presents temporary problems for the mother.
 
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Yet again you make wild, unfounded assumptions and completely misunderstand the net concept which is still in my favor.

From conception it is a unique human life. None of those things can be argued with on a rational scientific basis, hence you, DD, SPN and GG are left in the unenviable position of trying to justify the taking of an innocent human life.

And here's a hint for you. It is patently immoral and unAmerican to exti guish someone's life for what they might do but haven't done yet. Ditto for the possibility that they might have a difficult up ringing and a hard life.

All of you are old enough and should be wise enough to know that life doesnt come with gaurantees for anyone. To suggest that this is moral justification for ending innocent human life is morally bankrupt.

If you don't have life, you've got nothing in terms of this world. End of story. Threw that in just for you, Vag. Oh and the fact that it's an unarguable truth.

With life there is possibility and the chance of realization of potential. If ther is a God who is remotely interested in the affairs of men, I don't see how He would approve of arbitrarily ending a unique and in ocent human life regardless Of how early the stage of development
Or temporary dependence on th mother.

9 months for the mother can't begin to compare to a potential 9 decades for the child.

Another couple of thoughts in closing. GGs comments on the DD homes seems to echo the Nazi campaign of extinguishing "life that is not worth living". As you may recall that is the cover under which they started only to proceed to homosexuals, gypsies and then ultimately the Final Solution.

Something else to consider in terms of the dangers of the slippery slope is that there is a so-called ethicist at Princeton named Senger (sp?) who actually argues that not only is abortion is acceptable it it is acceptable to kill infants and toddlers. Let that sink in for a moment. You may think that acceptance of early term abortion would never lead to that, but you can't really know that you can only hope or Think that.

Human life demands that we err on the side of caution
And provide it the utmost respect, even if that life presents temporary problems for the mother.

'Temporary problems for the mother?'

Good grief, if that wasn't such an insensitive, naive remark it might be fuinny.
 


'Temporary problems for the mother?'

Good grief, if that wasn't such an insensitive, naive remark it might be fuinny.

No, it's just you in your typical inability to grasp an obvious truth.

The woman can give up the child for adoption, remember?

I'll give you the math again. 9 months pales in comparison to 9 decades.

End of story!!!!!!!
 


No, it's just you in your typical inability to grasp an obvious truth.

The woman can give up the child for adoption, remember?

I'll give you the math again. 9 months pales in comparison to 9 decades.

End of story!!!!!!!

The majority of the posters, the majority of the country and the law know the truth. The bad seed isn't a child yet so abort the 'thing' and do us all a favor. That's the way the story ends these days and that's the way it's gonna stay. :cool:
 


My post on this will be removing all the topics here and only focusing on ONE: the idea of it being a "bad seed" or "icky goo to be gone" etc...., No one can say IF the "seed/goo" is bad and will only produce a monster. If that were the case there are MANY MANY MANY WOMEN that gave birth to children with someone that beat them daily, raped them within their own marriage, abused her and the children etc. etc. etc......AKA: A MONSTER!!! So does that automatically make the child the spawn of a bad seed and has no chance in life BUT to turn out like the abusive prick?

I wonder if the parents of Dahmer's, Bundy, Jack the ripper, Craig's list killer, Peterson and many many more are evil people/parents that produced spawns of evil too?? Sorry, but to me THAT particular argument (evil act of one person produces an evil off spring) would not hold water. If that is true, WE ALL better be looking in our families and around at our friends because evil is among us folks!!!

Hey Phoebe, what's your position on this? Should a woman impregnated by forcible rape be allowed to have an abortion?
 




As far as forcible impregnation goes, no one has the right to interfere with a
womans decision to abort or raise and then have a daily reminder of her trauma. Up to six weeks to decide though.
 


HAHAHA....VAG!!!!!! I honestly sat here and wrote down the time I posted what I had to say and KNEW it would be you that would respond first...ANDDDDDD, I ALREADY KNEW what the question would be from you.....

WHICH IS WHY I started my post off with: "My post on this will be removing all the topics here and only focusing on ONE: the idea of it being a "bad seed" or "icky goo to be gone" etc.." I DID what I said I would do...I "FOCUSED" on the one thing I wanted to make a comment on. You already know I am pro-life. I do not have a problem with the morning after pill for this reason....if a woman is raped...take the pill for that very precaution.

Good for you. And if the pill doesn't (nothng is foolproof) work?
 




If y'all will look back at my post toward the beginning, I specifically stated I would take the morning after pill as soon as I would get to the hospital (actually, I stated if I could take it BEFORE I go to the hospital that would be great). This way, there is no "innocent" child to kill.
 


If it doesn't work, then sue the company that says it DOES work! It will work because IF the woman is that dead set against having the ick factor inside her; then she will take the pill, get checked several times to make sure and maybe take an extra one just for good measure. Kind of like how particular she would be about showering and scrubbing!! Which I DO understand!

Are you saying then the only course you would allow is the morning after pill?

No suction cup for the bad seed?

How about RU 486?
 


We can all have our opinions that sound so nice and logical; but truth is, no one knows what they would really do if faced with the real situation. I say I know....

Vag....I DO understand the ick feeling a woman would feel; but if she is trying to rid herself of all memories then she best be deciding how she is going to off herself too. Because every-time she looks in the mirror..there it is; she will never totally feel clean again and she best find a way to delete the all mighty powerful MIND...because she will NEVER forget.

So instead of her carrying around a precious life for 9 months and giving it up for adoption to a loving family that wants the child.....you are saying she would rather do away with the baby because of the memories and constant reminder...YET...YET....(wait for it).....LIVE with herself for the rest of her life which is a constant reminder in itself. Vag, all the counseling in the world can not completely erase what happened; it can and WILL help; but as we all have to learn to live with things we regret (whether our own fault or NOT)......that IS what will have to come to pass. Learn to forgive, move on, but either way...it will always be with her.

Well I love ya anyway Feebs. Yes. the morning after pill should be taken inmmediately but if for some reason it doesn't work or isn't taken, , I guess where we disagree is that I do not believe the spawn from a rapist is a precious life. I say delete.
 


If y'all will look back at my post toward the beginning, I specifically stated I would take the morning after pill as soon as I would get to the hospital (actually, I stated if I could take it BEFORE I go to the hospital that would be great). This way, there is no "innocent" child to kill.

How can it be an 'innocent child'? I thought we're all 'born into sin'. That isn't innocent. :cool:
 


How can it be an 'innocent child'? I thought we're all 'born into sin'. That isn't innocent. :cool:

I have to admit, that is a VERY good question. If we all have Original Sin, some must have it more than others. Therefore, their life is immediately worth less, especially if they come from human debris. I would love to see a Priest handle that one.